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Originally posted by cronodevir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKrKPfJIBK4 If someone made that today, people would call it atrocious. Despite the fact that this song is, in every way, better than any track commercially released in the past 5 years. And between this track and the latest ASOT or what ever garbage there is, I see an army of amateur music. I think people changed their outlook on producing trance because they don't like real trance. They don't like repetition or melody. And that is what trance is. If you don't have a melody that loops for 5 minutes with an lfo, without any events, breaks downs or what ever...then you don't have trance.

Agree with some parts, disgree with others. What I disagree with is subjective though as what trance is, was, and should be varies quite a bit. I don't think you need all the things you listed. That is exactly the problem and mind-set of current "Trance" producers in my opinion. Perhaps you didn't listen to or need to listen again to the songs in the original post so you have a better understanding of this thread.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Looking forward to hearing it.

Working on the Bass, Dunno how "1992" it sounds. But I think its ok so far. I still have work to do on it, its in early morning so I cannot have a blazing subass turned on just yet. Used Z3ta to make it. There is a kick in there, but you can't hear it, the thing you do hear that sounds like a kick, however, is the bass.

Its only a clip because I'm producing the song in the "build the whole song in one loop then reintroduce everything over time" method.

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Interesting thread...
When I produce something more old school, people say:

"oh, change that, its sounding very old school! put more effects and add more automation!"










i like produce old school too...

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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ighlight=groove

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

You are a little late Go to page 3, post 7, and scroll over the word Formulaic in my post.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Working on the Bass, Dunno how "1992" it sounds. But I think its ok so far. I still have work to do on it, its in early morning so I cannot have a blazing subass turned on just yet. Used Z3ta to make it. There is a kick in there, but you can't hear it, the thing you do hear that sounds like a kick, however, is the bass.

Sounds okay but I think it's too wide for an old-school bass.

I've got some of my old tracks out of this period
let me see if i can find some back
main tools of the trade at that time:

Mackie 8-bus 32
Novation drumstation
Norlead 1
JP8080
Korg Z1
Alesis Quadraverb
JUNO 106

and the Pizzacato string was the supersaw of the ninetees

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Last edited by Raphie on Jun-03-2009 at 19:27

Stephen, I sent you an email. Let me know if you received it.

The best advise is learning how to play keys if you don't already know and listening to different styles of music than edm made in 2009
This is what makes a track sound unique. Interesting melodies and harmonies. ''thank you very much I haven't heard that one before''
Really though... it is important so consider training and becoming better.


90's trance:

If you got reason and you can find it, this is an excellent step by step tutorial with various tips on making 90's sounding trance you can apply these tips to your program of choice but for some of these reason works best. I could give you more specific advise but I will get in fights and flamewars with all the fruity loopers and ''experts'' here so heres a step by step guide on making 90's trance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOX...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5t...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mNa...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRlb...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLU...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvNd...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R0_...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeR...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqAC...re=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhYw...re=channel_page

For somebody that is starting a label this era is very difficult for a bunch of reasons:
There is no audience of people buying music.
What did you do back then to get noticed?
-Pay high profile producers to remix your stuff.
- Pay to get your stuff on the radio

When the vinyl came out it would sell if you did this.
Nowdays you can drop thousands of dollars to get your label in the map but you are not guaranteed ANY record sales.

At least this guy is smart enough to understand that he has to give people a reason to buy the f*****N music. The charity thing. I don't get why half of your artist don't seem to understand that


Back then you had a record store operated by some guys that owned a label and upstairs there was a studio they were renting out to the public.

Whats there at those buildings now?
Stores selling shoes made in china!

If you are still interested in building a good project studio for your label and don't mind the overhead here is some stuff to consider. Buy a few analog synths. Not the new analog synths those suck. They must be old and they MUST be analog.
Otherwise you end up with emulators emulating emulations and all that is good but if you are spending money you might as well buy the actual components that generate sound not something trying to emulate that and save the company money in production.

They emu and roland romplers sold like hot cakes in the 90's and these days those sounds can be downloaded for as little as $50 each at the emu website and imported into a softsampler with more than 45 seconds of sampling time lol. Hardware samplers in 2009 is retro for the sakes of it imo. Even the people with the old akai racks use the esx-24.

gear to consider in case you are toying with the idea of building a studio:

(My opinion that could be wrong so before all you fruity looping experts flame me I am making this clear:
MY. FUCKING. OPINION. )



Gear For a project studio.
I define project studio as a $10.000 budget studio with gear.


Mackie 1604 mixer the original model not the vlz.
This imo is the best mixer mackie offered.
The mackie 8 bus was a very popular mixer in the 90's no doubt but you will need a lot of analog outboard to get away from the crappy mackie sound. Everybody was using the mackie mixers. There was nothing else affordable and computers were not good for mixing back then. If you turn the gain on those old mackie you can get interesting distortion artifacts and if you crank it up all the way you got happy hardcore kicks

The two mackie mixers that didn't suck were the 1202 ms and the 1604.
In fact daft punk mixed their first album on a wee 1202.

Synths to buy:

Roland tr-909 $900
Roland juno 106. $500
Roland jupiter 6. $1500
Roland sh-101. (you can make this sound like a 303) $750
Moog little phatty (one of the better newer synths) $800

(I could suggest more stuff like the ms-20 the original minimoog the prophet 5 ect but those cost as much as a car)

The digital stuff you can consider:

Virus b $500
Roland jp-8000 $500

fx:
Those go at the send returns of your mixer and become an extension of your synth.
For the send returns of the mackie to create interesting patches:


Lexicon pmc 70 $750
Roland Roland sde 3000 digital delay $300
Electro-Harmonix Big Muff distortion petal $80
h3000 harmonizer $1000



Drawmer 1968 stereo tube compressor. Great for the master bus imo if you can afford one or for warming up sounds to cut to the computer $1000 to $1500
Another stereo compressor that is a lot more affordable is the focusritte compander $750
The bass expantion makes this popular with edm producers.
Arsenal audio stereo eq for $1050
Geat sound for the master bus.

What to interface this stuff with the computer

On a shoestring budget:
A behringer 8 channel converter (those are such good value for money)
and a multiface by rme. Both those cards are based on the old alesis semiconductor converters that were used in the 90's dat recorders. Again stand alone ad/da converters not the cheap codex stuff most companies make their soundcards with these days Budget: $600
Results are good enough to get a pass but nothing to write home about imo

I want good sound:

Get yourself a apoggee ad-8000 for $1000 and hook it up to the multiface.
These were originally sold for $5000 and in my opinion are the best most analog sounding converters ever.

Just a few stuff to consider.
Cheers

To be honest, all you need is Reason. Thre's quite a few producers I've heard of that sold all their $10,000 worth of gear to get a copy of Reason. Not only because Reason is a virtual hardware workstation, that emulates the idea of hardware but also because it gives this warm sound.

Here's a few links of this guy who used Reason to replicate some of the old classics. If he can do it really well, I don't see why any of you can't, taken that you have the skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxdqeCKdBko (Robert Miles - children)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJb...feature=related (Lord of The Rings Soundtrack)

Some artists that use Reason only:

Groove Invaderz: www.myspace.com/grooveinvaderz

Josel: www.myspace.com/joselgrooves

There's alot more...
If you go to my myspace page...the first track: "Dreamcatcher" was made completely in Reason.

www.myspace.com/sevengreenlights