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Originally posted by Zombie0915 what sets it apart from secular atheism, atheists are a bunch of smug dicks

we sure are.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 if you dont want to be a smug dick and want to accept that it is ok for people to beleive in stuff, and maybe you want to beleive in something yourself but have trouble getting over your insane need to have everything logically proven, then this might be a better fit than secular atheism.

highlighted: serious luls.

otherwise, what a crock of shit. "hey, let's believe in something! i don't really care what it is, what it means or whether there's any justification for it, i just want to BELIEVE. in something"

its shit like that which makes us atheists smug dicks. belief for the sake of belief makes these kind of people dumb vaginas.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail pkc quit giving atheists a bad name.

when did we have a good name?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail you know since we're all one group with the exact same beliefs and agenda

damn straight. see you at the worldwide-domination meeting tonight. the password has been sent to you via the usual method.

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argh, again, this is not requiring faith in an all-creator; that part is entirely optional. This ashley stuff is cute and all, but there is a clear difference in his thing, which is this whole "everything is wonderful and happy and good" rationale which I am totally shooting down with my denial of a divine moral code or any sort of afterlife, cmon now.

belief for the sake of belief isn't a bad thing. If people didn't believe in any mythical shit, then imagine how much less inspiration there would be in the world. Seriously, people have done some amazing shit in the name of the things they believe in, we hardly have the right to deny people their beliefs and put a stop to a potentially good source of further amazing shit. Even if the thing they did their deeds in the name of was entirely fictional, if people find a fucking spear and assume that that spear was the same one that impaled jesus, and then that silly tale is enough motivation to win this huge unlikely fucking battle, that is amazing shit no matter how you feel about whether jesus was divine or not. These insanely powerful sources of inspiration for people to make amazing works of art or to turn the tides of battles and other shit, should not be denied to people, we would be so fucking boring if nobody believed in anything.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 argh, again, this is not requiring faith in an all-creator; that part is entirely optional. This ashley stuff is cute and all, but there is a clear difference in his thing, which is this whole "everything is wonderful and happy and good" rationale which I am totally shooting down with my denial of a divine moral code or any sort of afterlife, cmon now.

you clearly make more sense than ********. but there's just not anything particularly interesting or new about your new religion. its a bastard child of deism and atheism with perhaps a smidgen of theism in how you express it.

and i dont really see how it would differ from atheism in practical terms.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 belief for the sake of belief isn't a bad thing. If people didn't believe in any mythical shit, then imagine how much less inspiration there would be in the world.

im sure mythic beliefs inspire some people some of the time. but there is little that such beliefs inspire that is not inspired by any number of other facets of human society. and i would argue that such "beliefs for believing's sake" cause at least as much bad shit as good, so i dont find your argument particularly compelling.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 Seriously, people have done some amazing shit in the name of the things they believe in, we hardly have the right to deny people their beliefs and put a stop to a potentially good source of further amazing shit.

im not denying anyone anything. believe what you want. but we're at an age now where new religious doctrines (as you're supposedly creating) don't get automatic respect or deference anymore.

simply put, if this "god" (or whatever term you wish to use) doesn't care about us and has no plans or interest in human beings generally, then what is the point in recognising him in the doctrine at all? why care about the concept for a second, and thus, why start a religion concerning the position at all? if its some kind of secular argument you're making, you're well behind some other isms i could mention

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Originally posted by Krypton That's why I said, "Something called faith" in an earlier post.

Blind belief?

If it helps you deal with day to day life, good for you. Not for me thanks.

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Originally posted by Krypton PKC, YOU PROVE THERE ISN'T A GOD! OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE. WTF!?

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the statement that “you cannot prove a negative” is simply false. On the surface, it seems to be true: if Person A says “I think God exists” and Person B says “I don’t think God exists,” it’s pretty clear that Person B is going to have a hard time proving that there isn’t a God. However, if you look a little closer, it actually depends on the nature of the negative statement being made. Here are some negative statements that can be proven very easily:

Five is not equal to four
The ancient Egyptians did not watch Seinfeld
The tsetse fly is not native to North America

Clearly, it’s possible to prove a negative statement. The real problem here is clearly the nature of the positive statement being refuted. When a person asserts that God exists, he does not specify the nature of God – that is, is God small, large, blue, red? And where is he? Of course it is not possible to prove that God does not exist, if “God” is a thing that has no definition, no characteristics, and no location. In fact, you can prove just about any kind of negative you can think of – except for (surprise!) the non-existence of mystical beings. When you get right down to it, the statement “you cannot prove a negative” is really just a different way of saying “You can’t prove me wrong because I don’t even know what I’m talking about.”

Logical statements have to abide by certain rules and restrictions. In order for a statement to be logical, it must be falsifiable, which means that it has to be presented in such a way that it could be proven incorrect. A statement is not logical if it cannot be tested to make sure it is true. The existence of God is not a logical question at all, and is therefore nonsensical. Of course you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist – no one even knows what God is supposed to be
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Originally posted by ******** I think what you are failing to see is... what is fact is what you beleive anyway. You can lump on a bunch of information - but how do you know the tse tse fly is not native - becomes some bloke said so? This all goes to authority.. who has authority to make a given statement. What it boils down to is interpretation of reality. The established frame work. Thing is it doesn't have to be that way. But base on fact or social consensus it is there. But fact changes overtime, it isn't truth, it is utility. None the less anything is provable or unprovable. People often look for real experience as proof, the tangible. Fact is - non beleivers may not have the same experience as beleivers, they may not interpret occurence the same way? Does science happen because it is just the way it is.. or does it happen because god lets it happen that way because god provides for people. The laws of nature and science are what they are... just because this is the way it is for one moment does not mean it is for the next. People historically have much different interpretations, science really only started gaining grounds around 200 years ago... Magic and religion have been around for much longer. Personally I beleive in magic and the occult because I have seen real results. Much like I beleive science has some correctness because as a time peice it has allowed for engineering of events. But all in all... I think it is little more than personal opinion - we shape reality not the other way around; and that is because of our personal union with god. If we fall away we are the world. It goes back to the will I suppose.. it happens this way because it what we will, if our spirit is alike then we can be lifted.

i was just about to say that.

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