First of all of sick and tired of you peeps crying about ginos this and ginos that...I've been a long time trance listener and so have been many of my buds....

Secondly I'm also not happy with the radio playing "new" trance tunes but that's the way its been for years, not just with 1035...there has always been the rare tune from europe that has made its way onto the airways in Toronto, but as far as it destroying this so called trance scene I seriously doubt it. I don't see what you government peeps are trying to protect...I guess your afraid of a little class. Trust me, It wouldn't hurt...

I know that anyone of this board could take the boys at hits 1035 to school when it comes to good trance music, but you guys just have to remember that their going to play whatever the majority of people like...and of course their going to say its a brand new tune...what their going to say "yah this track is two years old, and we just got it now..."

Another thing is that with all these international djs hitting Canada, of course this is going to push the trance scene and begin to popularize the music

I do understand what a lot of you guys are saying about the fact there are people out there that classify a good song as being one that is played on the radio...I've always played cds to people that had the freshest tunes just released off the net, and only when they hear these tunes on the radio or at the clubs they start to like it...It pisses me off but that's the way people are...

Just stop knocking us ginos...

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Originally posted by Don Just stop knocking us ginos...

I was waiting for someone to say that, thank you!

PS: you coming to paparazzi on july 7th?

I am surprised that you guys are surprised. I mean it's always kind of been like this with Electronic music. Even take trance for a example. When it all started out at around late '96 for me at least, most people did not understand trance. And were like WTF is this shit. (I will admit I used to love EuroDance stuff, like Scooter, Masterboy, Capella, 2 Unlimited, Captain Holywood Project and so on. Later eventually I moved on from it. Even Swamper will tell you that he used to listen to Euro. I am not ashamed to say I did, but there is always a stage of progress in the dance/electronic music.) Let's get back to trance, becoming popular, as far as I know it all started out with the GOA movement a.k.a. psychedelic trance, what ever you prefer. Most people did not like it, but as it progressed another hybrid of EuroDance stuff and the trance style that evolved in other parts of Europe other than GOA, became a hybrid of what the trance scene is today. At least this is how I see it. And now it's become so big just like Euro did back in the day, that I feel like the trance movement is about to start dying out.

It's like DJ Dana, I believe said in the documentary about electronic music "better living through circutry", I am gonna paraphrase here cause I don't remember the exact words: "It's always been this way with underground electronic music. Something becomes popluar and the masses start getting into it. And it all becomes mainsteram, but at this stage the underground crowdes are on to some other style. This is what I love about electronic music is that it always evolves."

So I think this is what is happening with trance, if you noticed there has been such a big surge in the production of the trance tunes in the last 2 years since it all became popular. That it's sort of killing it self, no I am not bashing it, there is still a lot of good stuff out there, but mainly trance is sampling it's self over and over again, again I am not saying it's bad, but right now I am at a stage where I feel that this is the steping stone, to a change. A progress if you want to think of it that way. That's why all the big name DJ's like Degweed and Sasha have become so progressive. Just so that the masses would not listen to it, because trance is causing a new music industry to arise. I don't like at least 50% of all the progressive stuff that is played to day, because I don't find it listenable, but the same goes for epic trance, techno, electro or any type of electronic music for that matter. (I am not bashing any one for their tastes, just expressing my opinions so please keep calm and don't start bashing me for this, feel free to critisize me, but no bashing. CRITICISM GOOD , BASHIN BAD! ROFL!)

I just bought my decks and am at the point where I have to decide on what exactly I am going to spin. I love a lot of different styles, maybe that's due to the fact that I started of with classical music, as I played piano for like 6 years. Than I got into main stream pop, stuff like Michael Jackson, yeah I am not gonna lie to you I listened to his stuff, even today I can still listen to some of the stuff if it's played on the radio. Than I got into Hard-Rock, EuroDance, Hardcore, Goa, early stage of trance, Happy Hardcore, Techno, Electro, Hip-Hop (yeah well those days are over now ) and a whole bunch of other shit.
So with me starting to spin and all I think I am gonna go with a hybrid of Hard Trance, Progressive, Electro, Techno. For some reason I really feel a lot of the simple harder stuff nowdays. I am not really sure how to explain it, but if you hear me spin at some TA meet-up/event soon, you will "hear" what I mean. So I am gonna be spining in the genere of Electric-Tech-Progress Trance

Phew.......... well I think I went on for too long, anyways I guess what I was trying to say was that, you should listen to what you really like and don't give a shit about what masses are into these days. If other people like it fine, I used to be all up in arms against my favorite music going mainstream, but unless you listen to minimal techno, sooner or later almost any genere will go through a stage of "mainstream", I think it's all a matter of time!

Minimal Techno RuLEZ!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer All Iam saying is that the way things are going now, seems like trance wont stay underground for long!!!and i dont want that, and yes everyone could listen to trance, who am I to say who can listen to what kind of music?? I just dont want trance to be like pop music and hear it on kiss 92.5!! but then again I cant do anything about this, all I can do is sit and hope that wont happen.

who cares if trance breaks out of the underground? there will ALWAYS be good trance being produced... its not like ferry corsten will wake up one day and say "hey, trance is on z103. fuck it... i quit." all the tiestos and gielens out there will still continue to make trance ("good" trance) regardless of how big trance gets in canada... there will always be an underground scene no matter how big it gets. it will never be like pop music because po was never underground to begin with.

if you don't wanna hear it on the radio, then turn it off. but let other people have a listen.

trance getting big can only be a benefit to the scene. let's put canada on the trance map, and maybe we'll get some more big events here. the more trancers we have (regardless of whether we think they're worthy or cool enough to be clubbing with us) the more big events we'll get here. who knows, maybe we'll have our own dance valley type thing.... although we DO have wemf.... but, you know, =P.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead who cares if trance breaks out of the underground? there will ALWAYS be good trance being produced... its not like ferry corsten will wake up one day and say "hey, trance is on z103. fuck it... i quit."

the funny thing is that Ferry used to be the biggest Hardcore fan! And I mean literally he used to be a rotterdam hardcore head! I swear he was too! Ask any big corsten fan, they will tell you the same, the reason he got into trance, was because he got sick of hardcore, plus it was dying out at that time and he could not find the style that he wanted to spin in.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Whatever...L-Vee, Lee-V, V-Lee, Vee-Lee, same shit

BTW, L-Vee aka Airwave aka V-One if you did not know!

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AMEN to TRANCEARAMDAS AND POOPYHEAD's last 2 posts.......Trancearmada, i went throu exactly same stages of my personal musical evolution....continue in the new thread...

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why dont 89.5 (RealGroove) do something about this ... like have a show during the day sometime to shut the fucking z103 up.

PS 89.5 (every night after midnight)is ten times better than 100.7

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead who cares if trance breaks out of the underground? there will ALWAYS be good trance being produced... its not like ferry corsten will wake up one day and say "hey, trance is on z103. fuck it... i quit." all the tiestos and gielens out there will still continue to make trance ("good" trance) regardless of how big trance gets in canada... there will always be an underground scene no matter how big it gets. it will never be like pop music because po was never underground to begin with.

ya man, but trance these days produced is really cheesy Gielen & JJ most be one of the cheesiest trance dj's. Gielen at his TE set spun like this hard-house cheese or something, i can't describe it myself lol
anyhow, trance hasn't been in the underground for some years now. it all started when Oakey was touring in 99, he travelled all around the world, spinning his sick tracks (which are still right now from those sets). people started listening more and more, and obviously we had 99 the year of Trance good trance these days is hard to find, and the only trance i listen to is by Hemstock & Jennings, others i dunno sound to cheesy or the song isn't well put i haven't been really into trance for the past couple of months just coz of the mainstream of it and all the productions. so wat if z1035 plays trance, i mean they always somehow played some tunes from time to time, but that doesn't mean anything by the trance scene. we have no scene here lol the only scene we have is dnb & jungle

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead who cares if trance breaks out of the underground? there will ALWAYS be good trance being produced...trance getting big can only be a benefit to the scene. let's put canada on the trance map, and maybe we'll get some more big events here. the more trancers we have (regardless of whether we think they're worthy or cool enough to be clubbing with us) the more big events we'll get here. who knows, maybe we'll have our own dance valley type thing.... although we DO have wemf.... but, you know, =P.

Exactly my philosophy on the whole thing...Trance being commercially popular might make the so-called scene a little less elite but the payouts of having huge dance events in the area is well worth it IMHO.

Honestly I don't understand the whole attitude underground music scenes always have toward tunes actually getting airplay. So what if Joe on the street knows who Perpetuous Dreamer is? I still like the tune and a little airplay isn't going to change that!

I just look at it from a conformity standpoint. On one hand you have the "normal" person who conforms to pop culture and never looks for music on their own. Then over here you've got the people who conform to the "elite" culture of the underground. If a tune gets big they suddenly think it's crap. If a style of music gets airplay then it can't be good, it has to be a "sell out" version or some such rot.

That's why I get annoyed with the often elitist attitudes of the progressive fans toward more "standard" trance fans...a lot of those people used to like Trance, but with an increase in popularity it was no longer "cool" so they end up jumping on the progressive bandwagon...how is this any different than the people who jump onto a bandwagon when the tunes *get* airplay???

I'm not saying this is the case for every progressive fan or anything like (hell, I've got plenty of GU discs lying around...) that but there are certainly enough people who fit the description to annoy me.

I just wish more people would start worrying more about what *they* like instead of on what is or isn't getting airplay...

Ok well I agree with more trance airplay and just because it's on the radio does NOT mean it's popular or more people will listen to it right? I mean didn't z103 play Minimalistix - Close Cover (someone said in an earlier post) on "Pump it or dump it" and then 90% of the people chose to "dump" such a wicked beautiful song? What gets me is that when I listen to tunes and my brother overhears it (he's a gino) he says it's ALLLL crap and then a month later he hears it on the radio and all of a sudden out of the blue he likes it? It's not even that because it's cool how he's learning to like what I like but it's just the fact that he ONLY listens to the "trance" they play on the radio. He is in NO way willing to delve deeper into trying to find MORE like that. THAT'S what really pissess me off. It's as if he likes it because it's popular and it's on the radio instead of the music itself.

Cortexbomb, very well put. My thoughts exactly.

Its just on the other end of the spectrum: a song gets radio play, the mainstreem hops on and starts liking it. the music elitists hop on the "i hate it" bandwagon. All sheep.

I don't understand how people can like a song, and all of a sudden hate it when it gets played on the radio. the song doesn't change. Don't tell me it gets played out, because these people don't listen to the radio anyway. They just get annoyed when someone else is enjoying their "secret tunes". Its just a status thing I think. If I'm right, then these elitists aren't really all about the music now are they?

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Ok well I agree with more trance airplay and just because it's on the radio does NOT mean it's popular or more people will listen to it right? I mean didn't z103 play Minimalistix - Close Cover (someone said in an earlier post) on "Pump it or dump it" and then 90% of the people chose to "dump" such a wicked beautiful song? What gets me is that when I listen to tunes and my brother overhears it (he's a gino) he says it's ALLLL crap and then a month later he hears it on the radio and all of a sudden out of the blue he likes it? It's not even that because it's cool how he's learning to like what I like but it's just the fact that he ONLY listens to the "trance" they play on the radio. He is in NO way willing to delve deeper into trying to find MORE like that. THAT'S what really pissess me off. It's as if he likes it because it's popular and it's on the radio instead of the music itself.

Its a phase dude. Trust me, everyone goes through it. Some people grow out of it, and actually respect music for music, and not for the image. For some, music is life. Its a passion, they want to delve deeper, and learn more about it. FOr others, hey, its just something to listen to, look cool, be part of a clique, etc. To each their own. I ain't knockin either, since I've been on both sides.

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