Are you really asking me to codify why I dislike a genra?

We need to make an off topic thread so that threads don't get taken over.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Are you really asking me to codify why I dislike a genra?

that wasn't the issue.

Saying something sucks is very different than saying you don't like something. And coherency is a different concept than taste. You said you don't find it coherent and that makes me ask why considering rock is its close bastard son.

Saying "It sucks" is a slang way to say you do not like, approve of or enjoy something. And I say incoherent because often times classical jazz mixes elements together that seem to conflict or go off of that natural tick.

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well staying within the "natural tick" is a sure way to make irrelevant music. You might hate jazz but it is relevant and it will be remembered and that is what good art tends to do.

I dunno about the good art part. A lot of trance, rap and pop music will be remembered, most of it is rubbish. But I see where you are coming from.

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this thread has been proper buggered

I don't know what the fuck happened. I posted and next thing I know It posted like 27 times. Sorry about that, I deleted the excess posts.

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Originally posted by owien this thread has been proper buggered

Its the kaos theory on the internet!

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what would you guys recommend a good book to start reading and learning about music theory? (Diginut, your reply will probably be most valuable here, since you seem to have the most experience out of anyone I know on this board)

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Originally posted by Ravist what would you guys recommend a good book to start reading and learning about music theory? (Diginut, your reply will probably be most valuable here, since you seem to have the most experience out of anyone I know on this board)

It's been a long time since my theory classes, so I don't remember the names of the books I had and they're probably out of publication by now anyway, but I'd suggest forgetting the Amazon/Borders/Dummies books and go straight to your local community college bookstore. I'm sure they'll have a good book for their Intro to Music Theory (assuming they offer it).

I believe RichieV is a more recent music grad than I am, so he may have some good recommendations, as well as Diginut, et al.

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are you after a book on piano theory, or a book on musical composition, or something else mate?



check this link out, its a not bad read, click where it states here as its a link to the online PDF of the book

http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/personnel/belkin/bk/

It has a fair bit of information and may well be worth a read

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Since I already fill this forum with half of its post, I figured I better start cutting down on my posts or I'll get banned for spamming or piss everybody off because I'm always asking for help. The topic pretty much says it all. We'll address the first one first, as I think it will lend a hand to the second one. Playing the piano with two hands. There are SOOOOO many EDM artists who play "fake piano" and just use their controllers for sampling for the most part and do all the writing with the mouse. I've been watching so many gear videos lately, and I see these guys just doing unbelievable things on a keyboard. I know its years, and decades of experience that allows them to do this, but I am a patient person. I don't live in the microwave world. I just need to know a good formula for learning this. I know practice is the key, but I don't know what to practice!!!!! And on to topic too....maybe its just me but for some reason my productions are not coming to me like they used to. Lately I've been getting absolutely stumped after writing my chord progressions, and I've never really had any success building a track in a different way. I would like to stick to doing chords first but i need more ideas! I'm not talking about "write the melody next" or "do the drums and bass after the chords" - I'm talking about creative and intuitive approaches that some of you might incorporate in your production process that could help the light bulb come on for me (and hopefully others in my position) - It doesn't even have to spawn off the chords either. I'm not really concerned with the order in which the track is built. I'm more interested in learning creative ways of approaching them that maybe you guys can shine some light on. As an example....here is something very basic that I do in my tracks for a bassline. I simply take the chord MIDI's and delete all the notes except the lowest track. We'll use the common ACE and EGB sequence here. What I do just drop my bassline 1 octave from the lowest note (in this case E and B) and bam, I have a simple yet sometimes effectIVE bassline. This practice is also very common with sub bass as well and the octave drop there will usually depend on the audio I'm working with. I apologize in advance for the short story and two not-so-easy-to-answer questions, but I know there are some seasoned veterans on here who are willing to share invaluable advice and as always, thank you very very much. You would be surprised at how far just one little tip can go. Subtle broke down chords and chord progressions and major & minor scales for me quite some time ago and it was something so simple yet it carried over and generated a ton more knowledge. Again, thanks gus

this is in regards to a techtrance track ive just about finished and am gonna send it to a few labels (i would put up a link but ill wait till its finished)

the melody is pretty hektic in the middle. its VERY intense and uplifting/emotional.

the way i got it was simply messing round on the keyboard.. i was just messing round and stumbled across a progression in notes
4 notes to be exact.
i put that in on the sequencer... listened to it.. it sounded good i then played it on loop and played some notes with those you can DEFinetly tell which ones go and dont lol.. i either find it sounds good or bad. from then i added those extra notes. below and above the original notes. (i dont know much about chords/theory).
this did take me a hour or 2 by the way. it would probably be abit quicker if i knew what chords go with which but i dont so it takes longer.
i then put the whole thing on loop and listen and i have another synth up (in this song for example it was a pluck) and was playing around with different notes and some sounded really good some sounded average and some bad.. i went with the really good ones



once i have the main breakdown of the song i then can go and add al lthe other elements and i just use the same notes that ive used in the chords..

i dont claim to be real good at music production .. yet hahaha
i am trying to learn alot but above ^^ is my process i dunno if it will help you but try it out.. i love the feeling of messing around with a plain pad or any synth noise for a while and then BAM you get this killer progression or little riff. the song just flows from that point..
like i said before i think it would be heaps easier for someone such as cryo as he knows alot about theory and all that.. it would help ALOT but i dont think its a be all and end all if you dont know all about chords etc.


(a nice long post.. haha im on lunch lol)

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