yeah you are right! Pop music sounds like ass in high spl levels, but trance seems to be following the curve.

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Originally posted by psymon.d how do I sound like tiesto with fl studio and what are some good plug ins?

duh, sdummy, u hav 2 get the waves platnim, and you ned vanguard, there is it its comes with some good presets, but but but, don't get fl, only nubs use it, you have to get cubase becuz its what pros use

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Well, If they are going to be at a club, RMS hardly means anything other than a songs volume relation to another song. If a song has an RMS of -2db. [Yes, RMS, not peak], but its coming out of a PA system at 40 decibles. And you have a song with an RMS of -10, but its coming out of a PA at 60 decibles. The song with the lower RMS will still hurt more and fatigue you. Because its louder. I doubt it will get much more louder, humans have a limited range of hearing. And increasing that range doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. As for the future of EDM, and will it go to lower average RMS levels, I don't know. I don't see the grid being up that long. [What with the apocalypse happening any year now] Me being the pessemist that I am, Id say its only going downhill.

Firstly 604, I'm not arguing with you for any other reason than your science is wrong - I'm not having a go.

If a song has an RMS of -2db then it's coming out clipped, so it will sound like shit anyway. (a wave with any sine component cannot exist higher than -3dbfs without clipping).

60db (and what I think you actually mean is 60dbfs) is louder than 40dbfs. period. There are no two ways about it. 60dbfs is louder than 40dbfs and the source has nothing to do with it (peak or rms) because the measurement is taken as an absolute value of loudness at the listening position itself, in this case the PA.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Firstly 604, I'm not arguing with you for any other reason than your science is wrong - I'm not having a go. If a song has an RMS of -2db then it's coming out clipped, so it will sound like shit anyway. (a wave with any sine component cannot exist higher than -3dbfs without clipping). 60db (and what you actually mean is 60dbfs) is louder than 40dbfs. period. There are no two ways about it. 60dbfs is louder than 40dbfs and the source has nothing to do with it (peak or rms) because the measurement is taken as an absolute value of loudness from the PA itself.

I know, what I am saying is, in terms of causing damage to the ear, the peak or rms has less effect than the actual dbfs.

A minimal track peaking at -10db, but with a dbfs of 256...will demolish your ear.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I know, what I am saying is, in terms of causing damage to the ear, the peak or rms has less effect than the actual dbfs. A minimal track peaking at -10db, but with a dbfs of 256...will demolish your ear.

I think what you mean is a track with -10dbFS but with and 256db spl.

DB by itself, does not mean anything. It's like saying "miles per".

Miles per what?

Without a reference qualification it's meaningless, but most people just say DB - they are completely different things depending on the application.

In this forum most people use "db" to mean dbfs, which is usually clear from the context of the discussion.

Well, i'm talking about the actual loudness. Ie. The stuff that can phsyically damage your ear.

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Originally posted by echosystm ...and a hardware vs. software debate begins. if we're lucky, we might even get to mac vs. pc and cd vs. vinyl.

Are you ever helpful? seems all i see of you is sarcastic or silly one liners

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Are you ever helpful? seems all i see of you is sarcastic or silly one liners

Yes, too many times to count. He is just being facetious becuase when you've been on here a while, the same old bullshit keeps coming up and you need a bit of scolding humor to keep it real.

Just ask Mr. Mystery

I suppose i do like ta humour but im getting a bit tired of anytime something comes up someone has to say

"this topic is discussed all the time"

"here we go again no more needs to be said"

or words to that effect

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I suppose i do like ta humour but im getting a bit tired of anytime something comes up someone has to say "this topic is discussed all the time" "here we go again no more needs to be said" or words to that effect

That topic gets discussed all the time. Do a search!

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