Wow, thanks for pointing me to this.

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Originally posted by Eric J Wow, thanks for pointing me to this.

No problem. Please buy it so I can stop thinking about it!

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Originally posted by cryophonik No problem. Please buy it so I can stop thinking about it!

Yeah, I'm probably not going to pick this one up, so feel free to pick it up.

I've been going through the manual of the A6. Boy is that thing complex! I had heard this before, but I had no idea until I started going through the manual. I'm thinking that I may want to get something a little easier to program before I attempt to dive into the A6. Part of this is getting to be a better programmer, so I'd hate to start off with something so complex that I get frustrated.

Alanzo, I randomly found your demo vid for your patches for the Prophet 08, and I thought they sounded really good. I know its through YouTube, but the patches sounded good and gave me a good feel for what the synth was capable of. I could definitely hear some of the analogue "character" even through YouTube.

I would still definitely recommend the Tetra over the Prophet '08. They can be chained together to form an eight voice instrument which would be sonically and capably identical to the Prophet '08 with the addition of sub OSCs and multi-timbrel functionality for each voice.

I'm noticing that the Minimonsta has a hard time with square waveforms. There's lots of phasing when all 3 oscs are square and at the same octave. Even with two OSCs enabled on Minimonsta there is a lot of audible phasing. This is part of how the Minimonsta can sound more modern, but in this instance it's undesirable.

The Voyager tackles this no problem. I'm also comparing it to the Arturia Minimoog now which doesn't have a hard time with the squares. So in that aspect, Arturia's is much closer to the real thing.

Saw OSCs sound great on all three.

BUT Minimonsta much more closely nails the Voyager's envelopes and filters. The arturia minimoog has a weird round decay, curved up (exponential) whereas the voyager and minimonsta are much more snappier and curved down (linear).

Arturia's OSCs will sometimes sound better, but the envelope completely kills the instrument. Minimonsta wins out in the end.

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K, here is some audio. First is a demo of the Voyager vs Arturia vs Minimonsta (in that order). Hopefully you can hear why I don't like Arturia's Minimoog. Arturia's instrument can sound a lot better than this, but I was trying to emphasize why I don't like its envelopes.

http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/7.mp3

Next we have a good' ol analog round-up. Minimonsta, Andromeda, Voyager, Pulse (in that order). It's interesting how much alike the Minimonsta and Andromeda sound. That may be worth looking into further.

http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/8.mp3

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Actually... they all sound pretty damn similar. Probably just the patch. It's a pretty basic one. Let's see if I can't put together something more complex.

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Originally posted by alanzo I would still definitely recommend the Tetra over the Prophet '08. They can be chained together to form an eight voice instrument which would be sonically and capably identical to the Prophet '08 with the addition of sub OSCs and multi-timbrel functionality for each voice.

Really? Interesting. The thing that has been keeping me away from the mopho and the tetra is the lack of dedicated controls. How much menu diving is necessary on these units?

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Originally posted by alanzo I'm noticing that the Minimonsta has a hard time with square waveforms. There's lots of phasing when all 3 oscs are square and at the same octave. Even with two OSCs enabled on Minimonsta there is a lot of audible phasing. This is part of how the Minimonsta can sound more modern, but in this instance it's undesirable. The Voyager tackles this no problem. I'm also comparing it to the Arturia Minimoog now which doesn't have a hard time with the squares. So in that aspect, Arturia's is much closer to the real thing. Saw OSCs sound great on all three. BUT Minimonsta much more closely nails the Voyager's envelopes and filters. The arturia minimoog has a weird round decay, curved up (exponential) whereas the voyager and minimonsta are much more snappier and curved down (linear). Arturia's OSCs will sometimes sound better, but the envelope completely kills the instrument. Minimonsta wins out in the end.

In my experience the Minimonsta is grittier and dirtier. Those who own the hardware (Voyager or Model D) say the Minimonsta is much more faithful to the original hardware. Thats great for bass and other mono sounds, but I have also found the the polyphonic aspect of the Arturia emulation sounds really good with things like strings. I am finding myself using the Arturia emu for poly sounds and the Minimonsta for basses and mono leads. Still, I am basically using the Minimonsta more than the Arturia emu.

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Originally posted by alanzo K, here is some audio. First is a demo of the Voyager vs Arturia vs Minimonsta (in that order). Hopefully you can hear why I don't like Arturia's Minimoog. Arturia's instrument can sound a lot better than this, but I was trying to emphasize why I don't like its envelopes. http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/7.mp3

Totally hear what you mean. I had not really noticed this before you brought it to my attention, but then again, I wasnt doing side-by-side comparisons.

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Originally posted by alanzo Next we have a good' ol analog round-up. Minimonsta, Andromeda, Voyager, Pulse (in that order). It's interesting how much alike the Minimonsta and Andromeda sound. That may be worth looking into further. http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/8.mp3

I actually liked the sound of the Minimonsta more than the Andromeda in that clip, but the Voyager trumped them both, IMO.

Some more testing of the filter. The Pulse seems to be quite overdriven. I looked into everything and that's just how the filter sounds. Minimonsta is holding up quite well. And I gotta say that I hope I can get more out of the Voyager to make it worth the price per voice. Order: Minimonsta, Andromeda, Voyager, Pulse.

http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/9.mp3

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Does anyone know why there is a difference in sound when i switch from mono to poly on Minimonsta?

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Originally posted by alanzo Does anyone know why there is a difference in sound when i switch from mono to poly on Minimonsta?

Some legato thing ?

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http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/10.mp3

Something a bit more practical. Minimonsta, Voyager, Andy. The andy definitely has a more metalic tone whereas there is practically no difference between the Minimonsta and Voyager.

However, I have noticed that the Minimonsta does not quite emulate the snapyness of the Voyager's envelopes. VERY close, though. I also WISH WISH they would allow you to tweak the release on the Amp and Filter. I guess they were trying to make it like the Model D, though. I'm also not a huge fan of the Minimosta interface. It works, though.

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After all these comparisons, I am considering selling my Voyager to be replaced by a copy of Minimonsta, Odysee, Jupiter 8v and Cubase 5. We'll see, though. I really hate the limited control of Minimonsta. No control over release and not being able to do poly unison patches. It's definitely no replacement for the Andy, but may do well for Voyager basslines.

The pulse won't go anywhere, though. I still really like its gritty tone in most instances. The Andy is also such a beast : http://www.amonvision.com/aspnet_client/11.mp3

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Last edited by alanzo on Aug-09-2009 at 04:02