It did actually take me a while to get better but just the fact that I wasnt taking pills to be happy probably helped a lot. The funny part is that I never met this doctor before and in 15 minutes he told me that I will be taking all these pills for a year!

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Originally posted by jennypie The best doctors around here seem to be naturopaths. They actually sit with you and collect a detailed health history and look at your WHOLE picture of health. Instead of treating SYMPTOMS, they come up with solutions to change your lifestyle or whatever it is that's causing the problem. So instead of prescribing pills...they'll tell you ways to change your diet, or teach you techniques of relaxation, or whatever. Stuff like that. They will only prescribe medication as a last resort.

yea i'm definitely a fan of this method.

when i was with my ex, he definitely had a lot of good arguments that pretty much support what you are saying about how we all just want to treat symptoms rather than focus on prevention. chiropractors aren't very popular among "real doctors" over here because basically, they can't write prescriptions and they really focus more on diet, health, and exercise, etc... and like you said...where's the money in that?

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

Most people want pills because they're easier. Altering your diet or sleep habits or exercise habits or lifestyle is much more of a burden than just popping a few pills each day, and people can be expected to do the latter much more reliably than the former, so we have a pills-and-shots centered medical regime.

Well that's what I mean. But that's because that's how people have been taught.

of course. it's all about laziness and people being in denial about themselves and their personal issues. rather than go through some lengthy therapy that doesn't involve taking pills, they just go to their shrink and complain and get happy pills or sleeping pills or lose weight pills, etc...


and btw, i'm not talking about ALL forms of depression or whatever. like i've said before, i know there are many types of mental illnesses that must be treated with medication and i respect that.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by jennypie The best doctors around here seem to be naturopaths. They actually sit with you and collect a detailed health history and look at your WHOLE picture of health. Instead of treating SYMPTOMS, they come up with solutions to change your lifestyle or whatever it is that's causing the problem. So instead of prescribing pills...they'll tell you ways to change your diet, or teach you techniques of relaxation, or whatever. Stuff like that. They will only prescribe medication as a last resort.

Yeah we have those too. Also, here in the US, the "internists" (doctors of internal med) usually are similar. Not always, but usually.

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

canadian health care has death panels where they might prescribe you what you need or cyanide to keep the costs down.

Sarah Palin told me this on Facebook.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby canadian health care has death panels where they might prescribe you what you need or cyanide to keep the costs down. Sarah Palin told me this on Facebook.

That's true but as long as you're not Jewish, black, or old then it's nothing to worry about.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Different doctors have different styles, but I think it's a bit unfair to say that doctors are the whores of the pharm industry, especially newer doctors. How much medicine is prescribed is a balance between the doctor, the patient and the existing medical conditions.

As was said before, regardless of the ultimate decision, most patients want their doctor to do something to make them feel better, and often that comes in the form of a pill. I don't offer drugs to every patient I see, but if I feel that they aren't satisfied with what I think they should do, I have no problem writing a prescription for an otherwise over the counter drug. It makes them feel as if they got something that validates their coming to the doctor while being safe and generally more cost effective than if they did buy the drug normally.

I think the analogy would be if you had a problem with your car's suspension that gave you a horrible ride for a week. You decide to take the time off of work to go see your mechanic. How would you feel if you paid him to simply tell you that you need to ride in your bumpy car a bit longer and it'll be fine? Some might be fine with that, others would not...it's the same with patients seeing a doctor.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Different doctors have different styles, but I think it's a bit unfair to say that doctors are the whores of the pharm industry, especially newer doctors. How much medicine is prescribed is a balance between the doctor, the patient and the existing medical conditions. As was said before, regardless of the ultimate decision, most patients want their doctor to do something to make them feel better, and often that comes in the form of a pill. I don't offer drugs to every patient I see, but if I feel that they aren't satisfied with what I think they should do, I have no problem writing a prescription for an otherwise over the counter drug. It makes them feel as if they got something that validates their coming to the doctor while being safe and generally more cost effective than if they did buy the drug normally. I think the analogy would be if you had a problem with your car's suspension that gave you a horrible ride for a week. You decide to take the time off of work to go see your mechanic. How would you feel if you paid him to simply tell you that you need to ride in your bumpy car a bit longer and it'll be fine? Some might be fine with that, others would not...it's the same with patients seeing a doctor.

i'm just a little bitter after working in the personal injury law field where all of those orthos, surgeons and radiologists are pretty much whores for the industry. not to mention my ex is a chiropractor so he obviously had a lot of doctor friends as well who we hung out with on a regular basis (real doctors, not just other chiros) and they all just became doctors because it runs in the family and because of the status of it all.

at this point, the only doctors i have respect for are the ones working in ERs saving lives or the ones going to 3rd world countries working for free lol

i hope you will be one who will make a difference in the lives of your patients

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Slylee at this point, the only doctors i have respect for are the ones working in ERs saving lives or the ones going to 3rd world countries working for free lol i hope you will be one who will make a difference in the lives of your patients

Thats a little sad, because at the rate things are going we will have third world medical care sooner than later.

I know thats a bit of an exaggeration, but its painfully obvious things are getting worse here.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono As was said before, regardless of the ultimate decision, most patients want their doctor to do something to make them feel better, and often that comes in the form of a pill. I don't offer drugs to every patient I see, but if I feel that they aren't satisfied with what I think they should do, I have no problem writing a prescription for an otherwise over the counter drug. It makes them feel as if they got something that validates their coming to the doctor while being safe and generally more cost effective than if they did buy the drug normally.

Most people that come to you don't even understand whats going on, they are weak and will believe anything. If I was prescribing pills to patients I would make it extremely clear to them that pills should be last resort. Thats definately not the case the way things are running now.