Also, LOL at the idea that prog house and prog trance have "nothing to do" with one another. Is that why huge prog house producers like Sasha, Spooky, Way Out West, and Bedrock went straight into producing prog trance when it blew up in the late '90s?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I am using it to talk about prog house and prog trance at the same time, that's it. This usage is not unusual or unique to me, it's very common, at least on this board, GU Board, and other dance music boards I have visited.

I believe that it's a common usage, but it's also a usage that makes no sense. Progressive trance predates progressive house by at least 5 years, and the single-word "progressive" came a few years after that.

The two genres (if you can call them that) have completely different histories, different influences, different sounds, different structures, different styles, different audiences... there's just nothing common to both of them that warrants them being mixed in the same jug. We might as well generalize the whole discussion to being about "electronic music" which also includes techno and a good amount of old-school hip-hop.

If you're going to say that some particular type of music doesn't sound as good as it did 10 years ago, then it ought to be the same type of music. Progressive trance didn't evolve into progressive house and get worse; progressive trance disappeared completely and progressive house started gaining traction several years later. Saying that the old-school progressive trance was better than today's prog house is like saying that the original Xbox was better for gaming than the iPhone 3G. Um... what?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Also, LOL at the idea that prog house and prog trance have "nothing to do" with one another. Is that why huge prog house producers like Sasha, Spooky, Way Out West, and Bedrock went straight into producing prog trance when it blew up in the late '90s?

indeed. Prog house came out AFTER prog trance, so what you just said doesn't make any sense. In any case, commercial producers usually tend to produce whatever is most popular at the time.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I believe that it's a common usage, but it's also a usage that makes no sense. Progressive trance predates progressive house by at least 5 years, and the single-word "progressive" came a few years after that.

No. If anything, prog house came first. Here is a prog house classic, Bedrock's "For What You Dream Of," released in 1993:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgfZ5Y9hlA

Here is Sasha - "Magic" (Pob Seismix), released in 1994:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qe_KxZ9GQ

And here is the progressive house album, Spooky's Gargantuan, released in 1993:

http://www.discogs.com/release/194366

[Edit: also note that prog house giant Leftfield was producing even before this.]

When do you date the start of prog trance? I would say 1993 at the earliest. Admittedly at that early time the two genres were separate, but my point is that in the late 1990s they started to overlap when many big DJs were placing them alongside each other in the same sets.

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The two genres (if you can call them that) have completely different histories, different influences, different sounds, different structures, different styles, different audiences... there's just nothing common to both of them that warrants them being mixed in the same jug.

Yes, there is, listen to the tracks I just linked and tell me with a straight face that those sorts of sounds and patterns would be inappropriate to trance. They wouldn't, not in the least, which is why I like to talk about the two genres together.

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I´m with MrJiveBoJingles here...

Progressive house:
Stylistic origins:, House, Trance, Tech house, Hard house, Hi-NRG
Cultural origins: Early 1990s, UK, Europe

Progressive trance:
Stylistic origins: Progressive house, Trance, Dream house, Minimal techno
Cultural origins: mid 1990s, UK, United States, Europe

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progre...nic_dance_music

Getting a bit far afield here. I want to know more about the equipment!

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Originally posted by DigiNut I believe that it's a common usage, but it's also a usage that makes no sense. Progressive trance predates progressive house by at least 5 years, and the single-word "progressive" came a few years after that.

You're completely wrong. The term "progressive house" was coined in a 1992 Mixmag article. You can read it here: http://www.djhistory.com/features/trance-mission-1992. Show me a single usage of the term "progressive trance" from 1992 or earlier, please. Good luck, because you won't find one.

Progressive house, as the article indicates, was essentially the British answer to Germany's trance in the early 90s. It started at the same time - around 1990. I can give you many, many examples of the music press using the term "progressive house" in the early 90s if you want to challenge history.

It should be noted that the "old" progressive being discussed in the OP was actually the second or even third wave of progressive house.

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Yeah I was about to say, wasnt progressive house the name of trance before it was actually called trance?

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Originally posted by Nightshift Yeah I was about to say, wasnt progressive house the name of trance before it was actually called trance?

Not really, they developed alongside each other around roughly the same time. Prog house in England and trance (mostly) in Germany.

Well they certainly have had heavy influences on one another thats for sure.

Yes.

Who cares? In the end it's all just techno, amirite?