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Originally posted by Spam Not all 40 Million people without insurance are forced into it though. Many can afford it but decide not to spend the money on Health Insurance.

Even if half those chose not to get insurance, 20 million people without health insurance is still a large number.

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Originally posted by Anton Even if half those chose not to get insurance, 20 million people without health insurance is still a large number.

but that's the 20 million people that no population wants....I am sure the US would be happy to see that portion of the population just die off.

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Originally posted by Anton Even if half those chose not to get insurance, 20 million people without health insurance is still a large number.

Less than 1 in 10. Which is what I would expect, since it's about the same as the level of poverty in the USA.

Anyway, if they can't afford to pay for health bills, they are still treated, just with the cheapest form of care that the Hospital has available.

They're already poor and probably stuck that way because of the poor decisions they made in their life. What's a missing arm or leg gonna make a difference?

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See? Chem agrees with me. Can't argue with that logic.

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Originally posted by Spam They're already poor and probably stuck that way because of the poor decisions they made in their life. What's a missing arm or leg gonna make a difference?

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Originally posted by Spam Edit: See? Chem agrees with me. Can't argue with that logic.

I would go to the extreme and just take the 20 million who can't afford healthcare and toss them in a tar pit....gotta give back to mother earth.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I would go to the extreme and just take the 20 million who can't afford healthcare and toss them in a tar pit....gotta give back to mother earth.

That 20 million dead people today is our oil supply of tomorrow.

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First, It's interesting that people suggest that the people i mentioned in the original post are not socialists.

Hitler's Party was called the National Socialist Party of Germany. It was in their very name!

Stalin and the USSR. How much more socialist can you get? They practically invented the concept

Fidel? Ever been to Cuba? They have slogans everywhere. "Sociolismo O Muerte" and Defendente los ideas socialistas!". Ironically the government itself is VERY capitalist when it comes to dealing with tourist money.

Kim Jung Il's central government is the very extreme of socialism and communism.

Facism/communism/socialism are very intertwinable. Cant say the same about those when it comes to capitalism (socialism to an extent, thats about it)

Someone please show me an example in history of a capitalist country that was a repressive dictatorship.

My point about socialism being evil is this. Socialism isnt evil just as capitalism is not. But if anyone is going to put a label on capitalism they best look in the mirror. Because individuals of the past and present use socialism as an easier path to do unimaginable evil.

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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

I agree. And thats exactly what a socialist government tries to achieve. Do you think they want to take your money from you for the good of all people? NOPE! The more money they take, the more power and influence they can inflict on a society. This is why fascists and dictators tend to follow a socialist model.

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I am all for socialism as it is written on paper. But socialism in real life fails in two ways.

1) it doesnt account for the fact that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Put every sphere of influence under the control of a few and undoubtedly they are going to abuse it.

2) It doesnt account for the human condition of the need to be motivated. People are motivated by the need to improve and make better. This means a better lifestyle, a better field of knowledge or whatever. If everyone has the same and has no incentive to work, innovate or create, then how can society function? This was one of the reasons why the USSR went broke and fell apart.

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How ironic it is for people in the western world to demonize capitalism? The very system that gave them the freedom to speak their mind along with the wealth to afford a computer and a good home and even the basic ability to use internet. Ive been in self proclaimed socialist countries where you cant even speak your mind against the powers that be, or even use proper internet for fear of you finding out what they dont want you to know.

Capitalism is FAR from perfect, but by harnessing the human need for motivation we are able to take the inherent nature of greed that is present in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US and harness it for the betterment of society.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 ... I am all for socialism as it is written on paper. But socialism in real life fails in two ways. 1) it doesnt account for the fact that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Put every sphere of influence under the control of a few and undoubtedly they are going to abuse it. 2) It doesnt account for the human condition of the need to be motivated. People are motivated by the need to improve and make better. This means a better lifestyle, a better field of knowledge or whatever. If everyone has the same and has no incentive to work, innovate or create, then how can society function? This was one of the reasons why the USSR went broke and fell apart. ....

doesn't capitalism fail in real life for precisely the same reason as #1?

power and capital is held/controlled by the few with a gross % of population living in poverty due to corruption.

same shit. whether its the heads of state who are corrupt or whether its big business unduly influencing gov't policy...the effect is that the people suffer as a result of greed and corruption by a relative few.

as for #2...bullshit. profit and personal gain is not 'the human condition' and I'd suggest our striving for a better lifestyle is because that's what we've personally known and been taught to think. since when does socialism mean that everyone gets 'the same'? it's well documented that financial incentive alone does not influence motivation. if you grew up in a socialist society (pure socialism...not some poverty-stricken abomination), you'd likely see your motivation not being tied to profit or individual gain.

this is *hardly* meant as a defense of socialism. I'm just pointing out the flaws in those two points.

Capitalism's failures led to the development of Communist and Socialist ideas. Is capitalism really working? Or is it just the most tolerable or a pretty bad bunch of apples?

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Originally posted by DigiNut And the Soviets... well, if you're going to argue that they weren't socialist, you're as nuts as they were.

USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

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Originally posted by Spam They're already poor and probably stuck that way because of the poor decisions they made in their life. What's a missing arm or leg gonna make a difference?

That's one of the most retarded comments I've heard to date...

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