I chalk this up to each person drawing their own line in the sand. Sure, it's probably more rewarding from a personal standpoint and probably gains you more respect and admiration from your peers if you do it all yourself, but that comes along with its own set of compromises. I could probably spend the next 10 years writing an original symphony that is composed and performed entirely by me. The classical music purists would say "good god, that's horrid", a fairly large contingent would probably say "wow, that's pretty good considering he did it all himself", and most would probably say "you wasted how much of your life on this?". For me, I don't feel the need to do everything myself and, quite honestly, I get the most satisfaction out of songs that involve other people.

But, as far as samples go, I find it much easier and quicker to use one-shots for drums and SFX, and the occasional loop for percussion (e.g., latin percs, sometimes hihats, noise/background sounds). I often end up altering these sounds anyway, sometimes drastically and sometimes very minimally, and my ultimate goal is simply to get the sound or pattern that I'm after. So I don't really realize any substantial increase in self-satisfaction whether I use a straight sample, an altered sample, or something I made myself. I'm satisfied if it sounds the way I want it to sound.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal This forum is the internet's short bus.

And yet you've been riding it for 5.5 years...

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Hey mate, hopefully this doesn't come off as offensive but you need a new keyboard or some english lessons! As for using samples, it all comes down to personal preference which you did say in your post. Then you turn around and basically talk about the only way that one can achieve rewarding productions is through making everything themselves. That may be the case for you, but it's not the case for everybody, and to try and tell people or convince them that your way is the right way (in any subjective conversation, not just using samples) makes you look quite silly.

not really and no i'm not here trying to make people come round to my way off thinking. why would i if you're happy swiping other peoples work then fine.

some of the best producers in the game build from the ground up and make nearly all their own work witch begs the question why?

I won't deny that. It's good entertainment, especially now that the DJ revolution has become the "producer" revolution. Thanks, Ableton.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal I won't deny that. It's good entertainment, especially now that the DJ revolution has become the "producer" revolution. Thanks, Ableton.

its just a shame most dj's cant make a good track with it to save thier lives

Did Subtle just say that transfering files over the internet causes data loss?

The main thing about a sample is the fact that most of it, cannot be altered, EQing and FX can only do so much. And this is the dividing line. The line between people who make good music by maticulously altering every tiny little detail, and thus can't afford to use many samples, and the people who make good music by useing a few samples, some eq and do general production.

Who is better? ... is debatable, one could say that more technical person has more skill and is able to fine tune everything better. Then again, one could say they less technical guy who just puts things together without much fine tuning, doesn't need to have loads of skill. In the end its what ever works for the person.

Math problems do not have one solution. Take an algebraic equation, there are usualy many ways to get the same answer. I know this, I failed math because I got the right answers using my method and not theirs, and the Nazi teachers wanted us to do it their way, but I was like "No, fuck you"..etc etc...

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Vec packs are not bad at all to be honest why are you "low res mp3 loops" people using loops anyway. The way i saw it was the loops are collections of percussive hits etc i chop them up to get grooves and things.

So people really think that vengeance literally just go and steal bits from peoples songs an get away with it? on the scale that they do?

PVD uses some of the little vec sounds or does he......?

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The main thing about a sample is the fact that most of it, cannot be altered,

Thats an insane thing to say your just being silly.

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Yes, Vengence really does go steal samples, we had a thread exposing them on this a long time ago. And they do it because no one cares about samples. Its EDM, if EDM complains about sample stealing..then its a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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people really think that vengeance literally just go and steal bits from peoples songs an get away with it? on the scale that they do?

yes almost everything they do is stolen, even the loops. This is why i refuse to buy any more of their products. I dont understand why anyone would pay $100 for sounds that if you really wanted to could quite easily rip yourself. Its not the ripping that bothers me, its the charging of $100 for somebody elses hard work that does and then passing it off as their own and getting all the credit!

I would love to find the thread i still dont believe that all vengeance do is nick samples.

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