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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Good ol' Lawrence, Kansas! Aside of the 'Hawks basketball, that was quite a strange way to put us on the map.

Yea...

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Originally posted by Brahman So you want us to spend billions, (I thought you were against our debt-ridden government), on an ineffective missile system so we can stick it to Russia? Gotta love the Neville Chamberlain (just another way to compare Obama to Hitler) metaphor.

Neville Chamberlain = Hitler now for the sake of my comparison? That's weak as fuck. I'm comparing the folly of appeasement to the folly of appeasement... doesn't matter who the dicatatorial character in the story is.

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Originally posted by The17sss Neville Chamberlain = Hitler now for the sake of my comparison? That's weak as fuck. I'm comparing the folly of appeasement to the folly of appeasement... doesn't matter who the dicatatorial character in the story is.

No, Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler is the comparison. Putin is not Hitler. Admedinijad is not Hitler. Neither country is preparing for world conquest. To say Obama is being a Neville Chamberlain when we are no where close to an imminent world war, or anywhere close to the scenario of 1938 is pretty lame.

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Originally posted by Brahman or Afghanistan..

or Canada ...

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doh! I mean love Canada we have beavers.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r or Canada...wait what?

LOL - looks like Canadian humour isn't all that original.

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Originally posted by The17sss Crazy. It's not a coincidence either that Obama made the announcement on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland... he's sending a message that he's so much unlike his predecessor, that he'll capitulate to anyone; by doing so he's letting the pendulum swing too far in the other direction. They must be laughing their asses off in the Kremlin right now. Ukraine, Poland, and other fledgeling eastern european democracies trying to escape Russian influence and control for decades are breathing a little easier today... just kidding. Russia already said they won't vote to sanction Iran, which would be the point of scrapping the sheild for Russia's approval. This just a few days after Iran said, "we won't stop our nuclear program" and France said, "yeah we know they're on schedule to make the bomb... we've known for some time now." Fucking Neville Chamberlain in the White House. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblo...ials_head_t.asp

The missle shiled was a waste of money. The only thing that the Russians were laughing at was the fact that the US was going to poney up and pay for that shit as the country goes bankrupt and the states send out IOUs to thier cops.

If Russia wanted Poland and felt that the world would stand by as it moved in (which would not happen) then the Russians would just roll the tanks in.

The only country that currently wages wars of agression is the US.

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Originally posted by The17sss Why should we care? In a nutshell, it serves our interests to be on good terms with foreign allies.

You mean like the Russians?

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Originally posted by occrider I have long argued on this forum that the missile shield Bush wanted to establish in Poland posed absolutely no threat to Russia ... but let me get this straight.

We can cut the rest of bullshit, because this statement of your is already bogus.

The missle shield is a thread to Russia and power balance in that region.

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Originally posted by The17sss That's not the point. Our real allies in NATO and eastern europe feel totally underminded and betrayed. A perfect example is this: when the Czech Republic signed their end of the missle shield deal in July, suddenly their gas supply from Russia got cut 50% over night. Russia can and will exert control over those countries to keep them within their sphere of influence without any balance the U.S. provides them.

What the gas supply has to do with a missle shield which was a direct threat to Russia?

What Gazprom should have done if Ukraine was stealing european gas on it's territory? Pump it at 150% rate?
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Who cares about those puddle-like nations anyway?

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Originally posted by otec We can cut the rest of bullshit, because this statement of your is already bogus. The missle shield is a thread to Russia and power balance in that region.

No. It wasn't. Russia played smart and bitched that it was when really they just didn't like the idea of more western influence in their former satellite states.

The missile shield was never a threat to the Russian who could have easily overwhelmed the system. No missile shield could withstand a motivated and dedicated assault by the Russians.

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Originally posted by otec We can cut the rest of bullshit, because this statement of your is already bogus. The missle shield is a thread to Russia and power balance in that region.

Thanks for your tremendous insight. Feel free to respond to any of the arguments I made in this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=2

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Last edited by occrider on Sep-22-2009 at 04:02

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Originally posted by occrider Thanks for your tremendous insight. Feel free to respond to any of the arguments I made in this thread: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=2

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