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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm quite drunk, so bear with my delivery of this point, but...

I was discussing this with the good ship Sykonee earlier, and my theory was basically that we live in an increasing post-modern society, where irony and self-awareness are built into our attitudes, and modern culture is increasingly built out of references to the past. Furthermore, we live in an era where satellite television, the Internet and the "global village" allow young people to see a simulacrum of the wider world at a younger and younger age, which in turns breeds a cynicism towards that world. Kids today are immersed in the adult world earlier and earlier, and they've seen it all by the time they're 18, or at least an edited 24 hour news update of it all.

Basically, what I'm rambling towards is a collective loss of innocence. There is no such thing as a sheltered life anymore, and our childhoods have been plugged into the collective consciousness at a frighteningly young age. Nostalgia normally takes 30-40 years of in-the-moment existence to accumulate. Now, people are so bombarded with information that they're ready to look back at an idealised past by the age of 18.

And that is important. The dislocation of our spirituality to an idealised past is false. Listen to me: Detroit techno, the TB-303 and that terrible 808 cowbell are not something to be yearned for. You're missing the point. They were all part of a futurist movement, an optimistic move towards a utopian destination for mankind, facilitated by the machine.

I know I'm sounding more and more like nefardec every sentence I type, but set aside my personal bias and feel the ideology. Hardware synths and vintage electronic music was about the future. We're living in that future. To idealise hardware is to betray the very point it existed for. As soon as dance music looked back with glistening eyes at Detroit, Chicago and the Second Summer Of Love we destroyed everything those people sequenced and programmed for, just as bands like Oasis destroy the rebellious spirit of rock by adhering to "good time, old fashioned rock 'n roll values". Idealising hardware is a betrayal. If Phuture were dead, they would want you to dance on their collective grave.

We're living in a generation with no identity, a generation that romanticises and idealises a spiritual past that existed only inside our collective imagination. We're at risk of never living, of only yearning for a falsified era of existence we could never grasp, and wasting away in that eternally futile venture.

Fuck that. Our future is being written right now, and the very least I can do is drunkenly call us to arms.



I used to dedicate hours to downloading porn from Kazaa and that one that had the lady bug as its systray icon. To think that kids can just browse to www.xhamster.com (NSFW!) and watch whatever they want. It just makes me sick. Young people should have to earn their porn.

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SYSTEM-J
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While I cannot dispute your point, and I'd agree that the earlier and earlier sexualisation of kids is part of what I'm talking about... I can't help but feel that my post deserves a deeper response.

Anyway, I'm going away for a week, so I hope I'll return to some good replies.


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I used to dedicate hours to downloading porn from Kazaa and that one that had the lady bug as its systray icon.


That is nothing compared to borrowing the VHS tapes from your friends or persuading the older guys from school to rent it from the video store for you...

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BTW System J, you could've also added that this decade was one of the blandest and shittiest ever, without any real new or exciting movement in music, so it's not surprising that people become disappointed and turn more and more to music of the past.

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BTW System J, you could've also added that this decade was one of the blandest and shittiest ever, without any real new or exciting movement in music, so it's not surprising that people become disappointed and turn more and more to music of the past.


But that's exactly what the kind of person I'm talking about would say... cynicism towards the present, idealisation of the past. Nothing happens without a reason. The music of this decade has been the product of the people who live in this decade. Why would a cynical, ironic and apathetic bunch who live on referential echoes of the past ever come together to create a new and exciting movement?


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Personally, I think there's been a lot of new and innovative sounds this decade. Maybe a lot of it could be classified as refinement rather than purely original innovation, but there certainly doesn't seem to be a lack of creativity. I agree with J - perhaps some of you aren't looking in the right places.


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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
But that's exactly what the kind of person I'm talking about would say... cynicism towards the present, idealisation of the past. Nothing happens without a reason. The music of this decade has been the product of the people who live in this decade. Why would a cynical, ironic and apathetic bunch who live on referential echoes of the past ever come together to create a new and exciting movement?


So you're saying that it's impossible to love the music of the past without idolising the times in which that music was made? All those traditionally raised young folks in the 80's who were running away from the synthesized sound and glam image that were listening to hard rock of the 70's were also cynical and ironic? Or they just wanted to listen to music they like, not the music they should've liked?

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It certainly doesn't help that a great deal of that creativity is getting labels with the prefix of "post" foisted upon it. Post-rock, post-punk, etc. I imagine post-synthpop and post-shoegaze are next. I've already heard the term "post-folk" used to describe the likes of Bon Iver and Volcano Choir.


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Something to keep in mind is there have been movements this decade, but they've primarily occurred through the internet, and seldom manage to manifest in the world at large. It's a strange thing to witness a ton of online hype for 'blog house', yet to hardly see much enthusiasm for the stuff out in the real world.


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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Personally, I think there's been a lot of new and innovative sounds this decade. Maybe a lot of it could be classified as refinement rather than purely original innovation, but there certainly doesn't seem to be a lack of creativity. I agree with J - perhaps some of you aren't looking in the right places.


That argument is becoming tiring. There was a thread about creativity these days not too long ago which somewhat concluded that the most innovative style these days is disco house. So go figure.

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SYSTEM-J, interesting post and view. Given your views, what would you say is the way of the future for electronic music then? I mean you mentioned hardware synthesizers were the way of the future back then, so what is the way of future in this present time?


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For me its people hating a song because of who did the song rather than judging it by face value only. But then again everyone loves to sandbag the big names even if they make an amazing track that gets people going.


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