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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What is it with you and the troll word?

Hahaha.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I don't try and listen to new music by listening to music I have already heard. People have feelings and the need to express them.

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I think you have to listen to music you dont like to know what you do like. Plus just out of curiosity too! I mean I am a total EDM head not really into live music of any kind even though i engineer for it quite a bit, and i recently went to see Pearl Jam live in manchester and that blew me away and now I found out I like loas of music like that.

Not exactly gonna start putting eddie vedders lyrics over my songs but I liked it.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Obviously one would have to listen to it to know whether he/she likes it or not... BUT the endless bickering about it is indeed quite pointless. If you don't like something, fine - state your opinion and move on. Then again the opposite end of spectrum is just as bad. Some people will praise anything made by their favourite producer even if it was an 8 bit recording of cats farting.

The reason this usually happens is because they're attention whores or talentless hacks and they'd rather be in the position the person in question is. It's simple jealousy that starts most of these flamewars; except when it comes to music.

Let's face it; there are those among us who have gifted brains made for this stuff and others that will never even come close. Like anything in life not everyone can succeed at it. So when people who don't (a large % of internet forum communities) see someone who does and has a chance to degrade the quality of his/her work; they jump at it.

It's always seemed pretty simple to me. Me personally I shove their shit right back in their face because the more fucked up and hateful shit they say to me or about my music the more it motivates me to prove them wrong. How do you do that? By continuing to learn and refine/improving my sound.

Obviously I would like everyone to enjoy my music (what producer doesn't want that?) but it's just not possible.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 The reason this usually happens is because they're attention whores or talentless hacks and they'd rather be in the position the person in question is. It's simple jealousy that starts most of these flamewars; except when it comes to music. Let's face it; there are those among us who have gifted brains made for this stuff and others that will never even come close. Like anything in life not everyone can succeed at it. So when people who don't (a large % of internet forum communities) see someone who does and has a chance to degrade the quality of his/her work; they jump at it.

The whole "jealousy" card seems to be a bit of a cop out in these discussions. Just like Hitler/nazi comparisons in political discussions.

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I agree with Mr Mystery. There are a lot of feelings / triggers that could result in harsh criticism of music.

Music is about emotion, so is it so strange that emotional responses can result from music that's below someone's expectation?

"Someone was good dammit, why does he have to suck now! Become good again you asshole!"
That's not jealousy, it's someone's crushed hope of being delighted by someone's new music.

"Someone is in a position to steer the mainstream side of a genre towards innovation, but he/she chooses to use that position to churn out carbon copies of his/her success track"
Seems more like frustration with missed opportunities in the view of the listener, than jealousy to me.

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I'm going to have to go with A. If I were in that situation and I saw someone bashing my stuff I really think I wouldn't care. I'm the one getting paid for it so in the end, I win.

Now if it were beyond immature bashing and there was something constructive in there, I might take that into account for my future work.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 The reason this usually happens is because they're attention whores or talentless hacks and they'd rather be in the position the person in question is. It's simple jealousy that starts most of these flamewars; except when it comes to music. Let's face it; there are those among us who have gifted brains made for this stuff and others that will never even come close. Like anything in life not everyone can succeed at it. So when people who don't (a large % of internet forum communities) see someone who does and has a chance to degrade the quality of his/her work; they jump at it. It's always seemed pretty simple to me. Me personally I shove their shit right back in their face because the more fucked up and hateful shit they say to me or about my music the more it motivates me to prove them wrong. How do you do that? By continuing to learn and refine/improving my sound. Obviously I would like everyone to enjoy my music (what producer doesn't want that?) but it's just not possible.

It is far easier to drag someone down to your level than it is to rise to theirs. not my attitude but it is true

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Originally posted by Pjotr G "Someone is in a position to steer the mainstream side of a genre towards innovation, but he/she chooses to use that position to churn out carbon copies of his/her success track"

Honestly in a perfect world artists would like to be the next 'new' thing everytime they write a track but they cant. If you had a succesful formula for a track that 90% of generic fans would be clutching at their hearts and reaching for the lasers to, that enabled you to feed your family scratch that lol fly around the world djing to you woundn't be temped. Would you go for the pure art arguement everytime?

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I would explicitly explain how my shoes were of a greater value than you could ever conceive of. That's industry standard, no?

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I was not trying to argue a position of my own above. I was trying to describe common views with possible motivations, avoiding the jealousy card.

I, myself, understand that there are musicians who make music for a living, and thus make some 'safe' choices (and I also understand there's no such thing as a sure thing, which it why the quotes are around 'safe').

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