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Originally posted by woscar So what do you do if there's an absolutely amazing track that you want to get and play, but alas...it's only available digitally?

Such a thing has never happened to me so far. But then again I'll accept a CD if vinyl is not available.

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i think it's more about the vinyl representing a certain period in electronic music, less about the medium itself. a nostalgia thing.

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Originally posted by n3lly End of the day, it's all about track selection these days. No one cares how you're putting it together any more. 90% of the crowd don't give a rats ass if you're using vinyl, cd's, DVS, or a laptop. They want good music that's it. 8% care about the equipment and 2% are angry at you for not using vinyl.

I totally agree, i've never been in a club and seen people even discussing the fact that the dj is using CDJ's, Traktor, Ableton or vinyl. All people want is to enjoy themselves and its up to the dj to ensure this is the case no matter what medium they use.

On a personal note i've been mixing for 8 years and started out using vinyl (still have my collection and my 1210's). Then when the CDJ 1000mk3's came out, i got them and couldn't believe how easy it was to beatmatch with them. I've now sold them and use Ableton and i don't beatmatch at all. Do i care? NOT ONE BIT!!!

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Originally posted by epdarks i think it's more about the vinyl representing a certain period in electronic music, less about the medium itself. a nostalgia thing.

Not trying to be argumentative, but out of curiosity what makes you say that?

I'd say quite a number of the vinyl purists out there, as a primary argument, would say it's the sound, warmth and physical feel that cannot be reproduced rather than some symbolic representation of "what once was".

At the end of the day, drunk people want to get loose and dance to good music. Symbology and philosophy are reserved for the personal experience of the DJ himself.

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Originally posted by Forbes I totally agree, i've never been in a club and seen people even discussing the fact that the dj is using CDJ's, Traktor, Ableton or vinyl. All people want is to enjoy themselves and its up to the dj to ensure this is the case no matter what medium they use. On a personal note i've been mixing for 8 years and started out using vinyl (still have my collection and my 1210's). Then when the CDJ 1000mk3's came out, i got them and couldn't believe how easy it was to beatmatch with them. I've now sold them and use Ableton and i don't beatmatch at all. Do i care? NOT ONE BIT!!!

+1 on all points

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i personally enjoy using vinyl more.

it's more managable, and more intimate for me.

say you would spend $50 at a record store. you come back home w/6-7 records. if you only like one cut on each record, then you only have to get to know 6-7 songs.

here is where i screwed up when i went digital, and start using cd's.
this where my disgust w/digital began too...

those same $50 can get you atleast 25 mp3's from beatport.
now you have to familiarize yourself w/atleast 25 songs. (i was dropping between $100-$250 per beatport binge. big mistake... i should have paced myself)

so now i'm sitting on this stack of stuff on my HD, that i really don't have the time to really get into. i know what it is, but i don't know any of this stuff by heart like i did w/my vinyl.
-this made the music to loose value to me.

the cd players covered that up for a long time, by allowing my to cheat myself out of learning my music by simply using the track time elapsed/remaining button. why do i have to learn my songs when all i have to do is wait till there's about one minute left. then wait for the phrases to match up, and start bringing in the next song?
-further reducing the value of music.

probably the thing that bugged me the most about dj'ing w/cd's is that amount of time i have to spend naming/renaming tracks, and the organization of all this stuff. i have so many cd's now, i don't know what to do! and it's all a mess! none of it has cover art, like a record... i have no way to easily pick stuff out... i have to sift thru the cd book, and look at every single cd...

man, if you're looking for a song on maxi records for instance... you don't need to waste time looking each record that has a black sleeve, or a white sleeve... maxi's cover art is very distinct, and easy to spot.

can't needle drop cd's, and my dnd-4500 is pretty slow at FF'ing, RW'ing thru songs compared to other cd players.

to make a long story short... when my komplete 6 upgrade came, i decided i was going to reformat my HD. at this point i decided to gamble with traktor (my computer has always been moody, which is why i never made the jump to SSL or traktor)

now i have the best of both worlds... i can spin the stuff of my computer using my m5g's. no more burning CDs! i'm super happy. no hiccups, not problems... nothing. it takes a little getting used to. now i really have to learn my music again... because the computer is on the other side of the room, and out of my line of sight. looking at the traktor vinyl, you can't tell where are the break downs... it's harder to tell how deep into the song you are, or how much time is really left before the song finishes like you can w/regular vinyl. since the computer is out of sight, i can't cheat either like i used to w/my cd player. i love being able to needle drop again... no more FF'ing thru songs. :) :) :)

when i'm at a party, it's a little disappointing for me to see a dj using anything other than vinyl. there are times i want to go up to the booth to see if i can make out the logo on the record, or sleeve so i can try to get a copy myself. aside from that, i don't care about how they rock it, as long as they do.

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Originally posted by sr126 when i'm at a party, it's a little disappointing for me to see a dj using anything other than vinyl. there are times i want to go up to the booth to see if i can make out the logo on the record, or sleeve so i can try to get a copy myself.

i just ask, usually i get an answer unless it's something unreleased they can't give out

works the same for me, i usually give out the track names of songs i play if someone asks, by the time they get it, i've already moved on to newer stuff

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Can't really compare that because computers do a lot of things better and faster than we can, which is not analogous to the Vinyl/dgital debate (the quality is lower and the task is essentially the same etc.)

LOL. I wasn't serious. Oh, the internet - where you can't always detect tone, inflection, and sarcasm.

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Alot of audio purist prefer vinyl. When you encode a song digitally (such as in a CD) you loose a little bit of the body of the song. Where as a vinyl record still has that depth to it.

Other than the sound its pretty much just for show/preference now a days with vinyl. With all you can do digitally or even through Serato/Traktor (sorry if i mispelled it) it dosent make sense just to use purely vinyl like back in the days.

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Originally posted by Imagin Alot of audio purist prefer vinyl. When you encode a song digitally (such as in a CD) you loose a little bit of the body of the song. Where as a vinyl record still has that depth to it. Other than the sound its pretty much just for show/preference now a days with vinyl. With all you can do digitally or even through Serato/Traktor (sorry if i mispelled it) it dosent make sense just to use purely vinyl like back in the days.

It does to me. I have chosen the vinyl path because of the complication with digital sets as mention on the post above. Keeping track of the tune, knowing your choons, picking them from a 300 gig library...

I'm just not into it anymore. As for traktor scratch or serato? I wont use it and i am selling mine at the moment.

It's all about preference. I don't care what you have, just as long as you're rocking the crowd with great choons.

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Originally posted by knowhope Basically what the "Old DJs" are trying to yell out is the hard work they had when they were digging through crates and crates of vinyl for that one little gem. These vinyl weren't cheap, you had to earn them with hard work, same goes for turntables and a mixer. In the old days, to be a DJ requires talent and craftmanship. Now we have 18 year old coming in with their digital gear and screwing up the experienced and older DJs by charging half of what the "Old DJs" used to charge. You see little 12 year old kids buying Xone 4D, Xponents, VCI and buying music with the side of pirating them. They also have contemp towards their equipment and want more. Creating most of the people DJing "Gear Whores". Getting more and more gear and they also lean towards the digital side and never appreciate the music. They can have a few tens of thousands in their computer library, but man they still want more. While vinyl purist like I have only a few hundreds of track that i love and cherish. I've got nothing against digitalist since i have friends going that route. This is only my opinion and i am not lashing out on the new wave of DJs blooming out. That's my 2 cent right there.

I agree with all of this. music has no worth anymore, and not just dance music. the record producers, promoters, labels, DJs etc know a release is only going to last a few weeks so that's all the development that goes in.

however, at least as far as hardware goes, I do feel that software like Serato has really bridged the gap between the old and the new. nothing wrong with taking advantage of new technology that will help you do your job better... I know weddings DJs that love Serato