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Originally posted by Schadenfreude Unless a doctor tells you to take them, there is really no need for multi vitamins for the average healthy person with a properly balanced diet.

Unfortunately, not many people actually have a balanced diet. When you're running around busy with work/school/day to day life stuff, most people are guilty of skipping breakfast, or substituting a muffin or doughnut etc. If you have to zap a microwavable meal for lunches, there isn't a ton of nutritional value in many of those either. The list of bad dietary decisions goes on. I would be willing to bet that the majority of people don't eat as well as they should.

Just look at the obesity rates; the fact the most people *don't* have a balanced diet becomes inherently obvious.

I know that taking vitamins has made me feel better. I tested to make sure it wasn't 'placebo' by not taking them for a couple of weeks and I started feeling like shit. Obviously there is something I am not getting enough of in my diet. I am lactose intolerant, so that eliminates a lot of food for me.

It can be just as easy to eat a balanced diet as going to the store to buy a bottle of centrum.

usually when people do not eat a balanced diet it is because of things like : poverty, laziness, stupidity.

you always hear, "i don't know how to cook." as an excuse, which is quite stupid as you get a significant source of vitamins from raw or whole foods such as fruits or veg.

All you have to do is spend a few bucks more buying fresh, and a little will power to eat these foods instead of going for a quick and junky fix, and you should be fine even without the supplements.

I do get a b12 shot, but other than that when i asked my family physician what vitamin supplements to take, he said not to buy into that and eat well. I trust him.

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Originally posted by Theresa I know that taking vitamins has made me feel better. I tested to make sure it wasn't 'placebo' by not taking them for a couple of weeks and I started feeling like shit. Obviously there is something I am not getting enough of in my diet.

You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

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Shut up, let her wallow in her own stupidity a little longer.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

chrost, how did i miss that

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

If you actually keep a log based on how you feel and you aren't 'wanting' the 'placebo' to work, then you can, but it's not so much a placebo. I was just ensuring that I wasn't crediting the vitamins for feeling better when it was really something else. Not 'true' placebo, but whatever.

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Originally posted by Theresa Not 'true' placebo, but whatever.

Some might say it's not a placebo effect at all.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude chrost, how did i miss that

because you're not as smart as you pretend to be



thanks for the links lews, can't read it now but i will later tonight!

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

For a placebo to work, you have to not know it was a placebo. You have to fully believe that it is the vitamins you are taking. So - for you to just "stop taking vitamins", you are not conducting a placebo experiment at ALL because you KNOW that you aren't taking the vitamins. Essentially, your brain can still trick you into needing them because there might be various reasons as to why you started feeling worse but you automatically pointed it to the vitamins because you were already biased that vitamins were helping you.

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Originally posted by UWM Shut up, let her wallow in her own stupidity a little longer.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Some might say it's not a placebo effect at all.

That's what I am saying, but what do you call it if you are ensuring that you don't credit something for an outcome? If the placebo effect can have the same results as something that actually makes you feel better, how can you be sure it is one and not the other?

The problem lies in the fact that I wasn't confident in the vitamins ability to 'make me feel better', which would suggest I wouldn't be affected by the placebo effect. However, what says that I am not sub-consciously wanting it to work?

So you actually do a quantitative check on your health (by measuring how you feel with and without the potential 'placebo'.) It's seems like you can test yourself, but perhaps the 'placebo' is strong enough that without it, you think you feel shitty?

I suppose I have too much confidence in my own skepticism. The idea of 'testing for placebo in yourself' is faulty, but it seems to me that the fact that one would test for it at all would prove that the 'willingness' to be taken by placebo is not good and therefore shouldn't work?

Either way, if it is a placebo effect, it's working well