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kitphillips
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Registered: May 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia

Only read briefly, so maybe joel mentioed it, but using this method its also often good to centre one track and pan another 2-4 out on the sides. Highpass the panned ones and detune them and leave the one in the middle either plain or lowpassed. Avoids phase issues in the bottom end, which are common because subs are mono.


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EgosXII
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nice one joel, cheers for posting, this sort of thing is always extremely useful around these parts!

and as posted above, there are less rtards who troll around here... there are still some extremely effective ones, but they're not as bad as in other sections..


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Awesome tute here, thanks mate.. will definately give it a bash

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Lolo
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Brussels, Belgium

Coolness. Thanks for taking the time Joel.

If I may add something... here it is. I just would like to get more into details when it comes to unison and how it works, and finish your work off.

Basically with this technique, you're totally right, you have more control over the sound except that that unison knob on synths does 3 things.

1. detune: like you said 4 parts get detuned, to be exact 2 of them equally detuned at + or - x cents, and 2 others equally at a higher value, which is usually double value of the two first tones. That's important to keep in mind that everything is symmetrical. Without symmetrical values on both positive and negative sides, you end up with a signal that is out of tune. And I don't know for you all, but I'd rather detune the thing as a whole if that is exactly what I want.

2. spread: I can't agree more with you on that one, only a few synths offer the possibility to keep the signal centered and mono and it's quite annoying at times.


Now there's 3. Symmetrical delays between the parts. In order to make sure that your resulting signal won't flange, you need to add a slight delay, a few milliseconds long, to the most detuned pair. 1 ms might be enough. You can have a try at delaying part 2, 3 4 by respectively 1, 2 and 3ms, but... That's where the outphasing nightmare begins in fact, so be careful with those delays, or else the signal will get out of phase when spreading that thing out. It's better having a single delay on 3-4.

The Wasp bass sound that's famous in Drum and bass and Dubstep only features 2 oscillators/parts, equally detuned.

The Juno Hoover from the Mentasm/Dominator Tracks is a heavily detuned unison on 2 oscs playing at 12 semitones/an octave range, seconded by a pitch envelope with a slight attack.

Now you got all details... Enjoy.


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kevin shawn
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I'm now and forever checking my mix in mono as I go.

I love this forum, good info coming out as of late! No trolls so far either

Lolo give us a tutorial!


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Great post Joel, cheers!


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Thanks, mau5.


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Sean Walsh
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Hot thread. Thanks OP and thanks Lolo for following it up with added infos.


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The more tuts the better. Cheers for that

Joel, I just got off the plane back to Sydney and could have sworn I was sitting next to you. That is until the guy started speaking with an aussie accent.
And yes, I did look for the mousehead in the carry on luggage


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Lyft
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awesome tip there dude!
going ot have to try that one soon when i get some free time ^_^

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mfitterer1
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Thanks Lolo and Joel. Good stuff!

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lenieNt Force
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Love you Joel! Thanx for putting this out!

Great new advice!

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