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Originally posted by cryophonik IF you want to sell records (i.e., be commercially successful), then, yes, you need to produce what the buying public is willing to purchase. You can't have it both it ways or force the masses to like your "32 beats of nothing" songs, so that leaves you very little in the way of choices: - continue producing what you want and pride yourself on the fact that you don't compromise, be a starving artist, and participate in as many "how can I make money with my non-commercial music" threads as you can find, or - compromise (i.e., sell out) and try to make music that a large number of people will purchase. Neither one is wrong, but obviously you can't have it both ways. Or, maybe your music already has commercial appeal, in which case you don't have to compromise - maybe you just need more effective marketing.

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Originally posted by RichieV think about how many normal people enjoy listening to a track with 32 bars of nothing.

Haha that is funny, and true.

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Originally posted by isrefel ure missing the point... music going digital has ruined dance music.

I used to think so, too. Then I realized that there had always been plenty of crappy music around, and I was just getting harder to please as I got older. Every generation says that music has fallen down since the "golden age," the "golden age" happening to coincide with when they were in their teens or early twenties.

Old people who listen to Perry Como and Frank Sinatra say it about rock music. The sixties hippies say it about seventies music. The seventies prog rockers say it about eighties arena rock. The eighties metal heads say it about nineties grunge and dance music. And the nineties grunge heads and trance heads say it about Linkin Park and Tiesto. In another ten years I bet people who are teenagers now will be complaining about how Tiesto used to be so awesome, back in 2009, but [insert factor here] ruined it all.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles In another ten years I bet people who are teenagers now will be complaining about how Tiesto used to be so awesome, back in 2009, but cryophonik ruined it all.

Fixed.

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Originally posted by tehlord How anybody could say that Tiesto is/was/used to be so awesome is beyond me.

Tiesto - In My Memory
Tiesto - Suburban Train

I don't think these are "sooo awesome", but they are good.

I always like to know what people think is great if artist X is not. So?

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Originally posted by hexadecimal Why not just get straight to the point and start selling advertising spots in your tracks?

Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea... think McDick's would pay me a few thousand to work several instances of "I'm lovin' it" into my next dancefloor killer?

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Originally posted by tehlord How anybody could say that Tiesto is/was/used to be so awesome is beyond me.

The list of good tracks would be long to be honest.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Tiesto - In My Memory Tiesto - Suburban Train I don't think these are "sooo awesome", but they are good. I always like to know what people think is great if artist X is not. So?

Both those tracks are absolutely run of the mill in MY opinion. In My Memory is a great vocal performance with a drag and drop backing to it. It's really just down to personal preference ultimately but i've never been moved by anything he's done.

Stuff that does impress me is Darren Tate/DT8, Lost Tribe's Gamemaster and admittedly a bit of Airbase.

You might find that list shit

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I dont know man.. Urban train is pretty sublime . The names you threw out are awesome too.. still listen to Tilt - Invisible (Lost Tribe Remix) every now and again

So the consensus so far seems to be that there is no money in releasing unless it's a big all out commercial hit.

Something I've been pondering about us 'producer heads' is the analogy with film.
I've always enjoyed big films (Alien, Jaws, master and commander, hostel) that the 'in the know' critics tend to despise, and yet I hate the films they adore such as my beautiful launderette or some French sub titled art noir.

In the UK the critics are very sniffy about hollywood productions, yet the public love em.

Are grimey art house films the equivalent of what a lot of 'purist' EDM producers try and attempt?

Does unicorn trance = SAW 6?


Presumably some of the big people like Tiesto are doing for music what Steven Spielberg did for film.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I've always enjoyed big films (Alien, Jaws, master and commander, hostel) that the 'in the know' critics tend to despise, and yet I hate the films they adore such as my beautiful launderette or some French sub titled art noir.

Critics don't despise Alien or Jaws, at least not here. Those movies are widely considered classics. Critics pan stuff like Hostel because the acting sucks and it is a cheap forgettable gore-fest, not because it's too popular, LOL. Funny that you cannot see the difference.

So basically you think people who try to make less popular genres are just being too "snooty" to make trance?