16 minutes in and loving it

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Just throwin' in my support...Good stuff (y)

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Cheers for listening guys, as always, 'tis much appreciated.

Next time I'll have to make something that isn't so focused on a single genre, as I haven't done that for a while now.

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Incredible mix. One of the best I've heard from TA.

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Pitched this down by 4% and it sounded absolutely sick, really nice grooves. Had a sort of 1997 prog feel to it!

Sorry but I just tend to prefer my music a bit slower these days... if that's not a sign that I'm getting old, I don't know what is.

It did of course help that the flat next door's fire alarm went off about half way through and was beeping bang in time. Pretty large moment there.

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Last edited by Stu Cox on Aug-14-2010 at 18:33

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Sorry but I just tend to prefer my music a bit slower these days... if that's not a sign that I'm getting old, I don't know what is.

I don't buy this theory at all. For example, Discogs' forum has plenty of mid-30s ex-techno ravers who are giddier than anyone else the few times they get to attend one of those facemelting warehouse raves.

I also never understood why someone would "prefer" slower or faster music, as the BPM of a track is not necessarily indicative of what kind of music that track will represent (Monolake - Magenta and The Black Dog - Babylon (Hanging Gardens) come to mind). It all strikes me as a bit narrowminded, to be honest, but I guess that's a topic for another thread.

Either way, I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my mix.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I don't buy this theory at all. For example, Discogs' forum has plenty of mid-30s ex-techno ravers who are giddier than anyone else the few times they get to attend one of those facemelting warehouse raves. I also never understood why someone would "prefer" slower or faster music, as the BPM of a track is not necessarily indicative of what kind of music that track will represent (Monolake - Magenta and The Black Dog - Babylon (Hanging Gardens) come to mind). It all strikes me as a bit narrowminded, to be honest, but I guess that's a topic for another thread. Either way, I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my mix.

Haha that comment wasn't supposed to be entirely serious and certainly not a final judgement against everything over 135 bpm... it's just that this mix worked quite nicely a bit slower while I was sitting and listening at home. But I am finding more and more that I tend to find music in in the 140bpm+ ballpark a bit much.

In fact I quite often pitch down my own older mixes when I listen to them.

And no, the speed isn't indicative of the genre, but that doesn't mean that if you like a track at 130 bpm you'll enjoy just as much at 150, regardless of what mood you're in (and the speed you like to listen to music probably does have more to do with mood than anything else).

I actually think a lot more of the groove comes out when music's slower, which makes up for the energy it would otherwise get from being fast.

Don't take it personally! I said I really enjoyed it!

And I love the sentiment of trance without the fluffy breakdowns - it was the rolling percussion and dark twisted sounds which got me hooked on trance in the first place, so a DJ focussing on that side with some nice melodic bits thrown in is right up my street.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox And no, the speed isn't indicative of the genre, but that doesn't mean that if you like a track at 130 bpm you'll enjoy just as much at 150, regardless of what mood you're in (and the speed you like to listen to music probably does have more to do with mood than anything else).

Whether a track sounds better at 130 or 150 isn't the point, though. This is about PREFERRING slower or faster music as a preconceived notion, regardless of what the music's actual ideas and creative content is. That's why I think sweeping statements like this...

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I actually think a lot more of the groove comes out when music's slower, which makes up for the energy it would otherwise get from being fast.

...are a bit short-sighted. They presume that electronic music in general follows the same formula that "sounds better" when played more slowly, and that a higher BPM automatically means that a track is more energetic. While this is certainly true for a lot of electronic music, there is also loads of music that it does not ring true for (one example of this would be how playing Speedy J - De-Orbit at the wrong speed suddenly became a trend after the jungle brigade picked it up. Another is how dubstep is often seen as "too slow to dance to", when really it runs at 140 BPM). Since electronic music is so varied, filtering your tastes based on the BPM count strikes me as a bit narrowminded.

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Don't take it personally! I said I really enjoyed it!

I wasn't offended, don't worry. This isn't really so much about my set as it is a general pet peeve of mine, especially seeing as how clubnights have become so genre-specific.

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At the risk of carpet-bombing with generalisation, as people grow older their tastes tend towards more subtle, thoughtful music, especially once they get past the age where they regularly go clubbing. Faster music is generally seen as less subtle or sophisticated.

(And yes, I know that most of these generalisations aren't really true and preconceived notions shouldn't dictate how you think of a piece of music. I'm not saying the attitude is right, I'm just throwing out possible explanations.)

When I was a teenager I listened to a lot of hard trance and glowstick stuff. I heard people cite this truism and worried that I'd follow the pattern. True enough, I don't often listen to music over 140bpm, especially not hard trance. As a teenager the speed and the energy feels transgressive, aggressive, in line with how I felt at the time. I had a minor fascination for a while with finding the hardest, fastest music, listening to gabber and hard acid techno. But when I heard all the stupidcores on Ishkur's Guide the bubble was burst somewhat. I quickly grew out of it. I think many people who start off with ecstasy and epic trance when they're 17 go through a semi-similar process.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J At the risk of carpet-bombing with generalisation, as people grow older their tastes tend towards more subtle, thoughtful music, especially once they get past the age where they regularly go clubbing. Faster music is generally seen as less subtle or sophisticated. (And yes, I know that most of these generalisations aren't really true and preconceived notions shouldn't dictate how you think of a piece of music. I'm not saying the attitude is right, I'm just throwing out possible explanations.) When I was a teenager I listened to a lot of hard trance and glowstick stuff. I heard people cite this truism and worried that I'd follow the pattern. True enough, I don't often listen to music over 140bpm, especially not hard trance. As a teenager the speed and the energy feels transgressive, aggressive, in line with how I felt at the time. I had a minor fascination for a while with finding the hardest, fastest music, listening to gabber and hard acid techno. But when I heard all the stupidcores on Ishkur's Guide the bubble was burst somewhat. I quickly grew out of it. I think many people who start off with ecstasy and epic trance when they're 17 go through a semi-similar process.

Since I didn't do the whole drugs thing, it doesn't bother me at all. I still like my trance upwards of 140 and my psy at about 148. I like d&b at 174-180bpm and whilst I do listen to some slower stuff too, I've never felt like I needed to go any different tempo wise but I've always just done what sounds good to my ears.

I didn't do drugs back then. I'm only talking about when I was 14-16. My tastes have still gone towards slightly slower music. The point I'm making is that's not to do with the tempo as such but rather with the properties of the music. I still listen to drum 'n bass or psytrance at high tempos if it draws me in, but high tempo no longer has any adolescent attraction in of itself.

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> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/