you guys should look up the connection of Hungarian towards the ancient sumerian language, pretty interesting stuff, opens up alot of questions towards the real hungarian history

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Originally posted by PPerenyi you guys should look up the connection of Hungarian towards the ancient sumerian language, pretty interesting stuff, opens up alot of questions towards the real hungarian history

What? Sumerian is still an isolate language, and no connection to any other language has been attested (proposals don't count unless they're backed up with consistent data). Hungarian, on the other hand, is undoubtedly a member of the Uralic family, along with these languages:



Here, let me show you a sample of how it is done:

Portuguese and English are "cousins", so to speak, in the Indo-European family. That is, they derive from a common ancestor, spoken a few thousand years ago. The words from this ancestor language evolved differently in each region, but they still retain quite a few similarities.

For example, according to Grimm's Law, the following chain reaction happened in the Germanic languages (that's the branch English comes from):

1. p → f
   
2. t → th (as in "think")
   
3. k → h
   

The result? Words that used to begin with the same consonant both in Germanic languages and in Latin languages now have different sounds. Here's a small list with the words affected by the chain reaction #3:

English (affected) Portuguese (unaffected)
Hound (dog) Cão (caon)
Heart Cárdio-
Horn Corno
Hill Colina

The list goes on and on. If you can find these similarities between Sumerian and Hungarian, you're on the right track, though you also need to see a few things in common regarding the syntax, for example. Also, you'd have to explain what is(n't) the relationship between Sumerian and all other Uralic languages.

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I know it's nice to imagine your language is related to a kick-ass ancient language and all that but, unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way. Still, Hungarian is an awesome language by itself, you don't need anything else to make it even more awesome

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well thats what i know about the language as well, i just stumbled onto this speculation a few days ago and have found much information that the hungarian language is its closest relative, not necessarily the same.
just thought it would be interesting to speculate lol
the hungarian language goes back farther then just the 1000 years from when the magyars arrived.

by the way have you heard about the pyramids in bosnia that are over 30000 years old with ancient hungarian runic symbols inside?
ive never really heard any body mention it before

That's interesting that you say that because Hungarian has always been considered a very alien language as have their people. They don't look like anyone else in Europe and their language is completely different to everyone else in Europe. Then again, that may have been the more southern and central parts of Europe talking.

If that map is correct than it kind of makes sense because you can see how far Hungary is from everyone else. I always assumed they were some kind of weird hybrid from the Mongols that invaded and some left over remnant of a minor tribe.

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Originally posted by PPerenyi well thats what i know about the language as well, i just stumbled onto this speculation a few days ago and have found much information that the hungarian language is its closest relative, not necessarily the same.

The problem is, how can you measure it? Sure, languages can spread across great distances, but significant migrations from the Middle East to modern Hungary are, as far as I know, unheard of. Would you care to share these speculations? It's really hard to judge something when you know so little about it.

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Originally posted by PPerenyi just thought it would be interesting to speculate lol the hungarian language goes back farther then just the 1000 years from when the magyars arrived.

True that, because that's true for languages in general

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Originally posted by PPerenyi by the way have you heard about the pyramids in bosnia that are over 30000 years old with ancient hungarian runic symbols inside? ive never really heard any body mention it before

No, not really. Where in Bosnia?

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Originally posted by Fledz That's interesting that you say that because Hungarian has always been considered a very alien language as have their people. They don't look like anyone else in Europe and their language is completely different to everyone else in Europe. Then again, that may have been the more southern and central parts of Europe talking.

Actually, their language shares a lot in common with Finnish and Estonian. I don't think any other European language (except for Turkish, if you consider it to be European) exhibits vowel harmony, for example, though I'm just saying that from the top of my head. The fact is that Europe is quite homogeneous regarding the sources of its languages: Except for a handful of scattered languages, such as Basque and Finnish, every other major European language comes from the same language stock (Indo-European)

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regarding the sumerian connection a simply google search "sumerian hungarian" will show what im talking about

and the pyramids search "bosnia pyramids"

http://bpblognews.blogspot.com/2009...n-pyramids.html

the hungarian connection towards them, not saying they built them but this is a huge discovery.
i believe most experts thought there was no civilization in that area during that time.

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Originally posted by Lira [*img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Languages_en3.PNG[/img]

The map is wrong, concerning Franco-Provençal and catalan. There were courses of provençal in my high school, and lots of old people can still talk in provençal.

Thanks, I'll check it out later, PPerenyi

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Originally posted by d-miurge The map is wrong, concerning Franco-Provençal and catalan. There were courses of provençal in my high school, and lots of old people can still talk in provençal.

You're right. Never spotted that inconsistency before, thanks for pointing that out

Edit: Where did you live when you were in high school? Near the Italian border?

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Interesting post.

I think you need to establish what do you define as hard? The amount of time it takes to learn a 2nd language from adulthood would be my guess.

Also, speaking, reading, writing and listening are completely different, and some skills are easier than others.

Some of the remote African dialects or Native American languages I'd consider to be pretty difficult, along with those random Chinese dialects.

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Originally posted by Lira You're right. Never spotted that inconsistency before, thanks for pointing that out Edit: Where did you live when you were in high school? Near the Italian border?

I was in Aix-en-Provence.

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