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Originally posted by meriter It reflects what promoters are comfortable with, which reflects what labels are comfortable signing, which reflects their idea of what people want to hear.

it doesn't help that couple of dud releases in a row can sink a rickety ship of a label on the margin, although switching to cheaper digital from vinyl releases supposedly has alleviated some of that risk. you'd expect releases from these independents that are different and more daring...

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Related discussion I had with a friend over weekend: how many great bands from 70s and 80s are Still relevant today and are just as enjoyable as ever. Now, how many from 90s and 2000s? Not as much.

Using pink floyd as one of my favorite analogies - they pushed boundaries, experimented, carved their own sound and style. Name one band that can be mistaken for floyd? Or Zeppelin or Yes or rush or new order or depeche mode?

Today, very few acts that stand out - some earlier Sigur Ros, immogen heap, perhaps BT. There's something to be said about taking the road less traveled. Just my cliche $0.02

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http://www.hulu.com/watch/62945/before-the-music-dies

This documentary explores the reason why so few companies currently control the music played on the radio and for sale at retail stores, and whether corporations really have the power to silence musical innovation.

Did anyone read my post or did you guys just estimate what I wrote based on the subject heading?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

I don't really have an opinion on compressed music since I've never been bothered by it. I was just responding to Cryophonik

a nice article related to topic "The Loudness Wars: Why Music Sounds Worse"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...058&sc=fb&cc=fp

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To answer the op - yes, compressor or limiter will mess with the transients and getting the ballances right definitely is an art that cannot be just guessed. The psychoacoustics is a very complex science and understanding how it affects perception, as well as repeated listening enjoyment takes a lot of trial and error. So, it's quite possible ther is some merit to your observation. However, my personal opinion is that it is not such an outstanding or groundbreaking track to begin with. I actually LOL at it every time I hear it - it makes me think of some Transformers battle scene full of Michael Bay silliness that accompanies it. No offense but IMO it's hardly original or has any repeat listening value.

If the subject matter is of serious interest, track itself notwithstanding, I'd recommend picking up a book called - "this is your brain on music". Very interesting book, touching on numeber of aspects as to why music affects us in various ways and how the mind operates under it's influence. Check it out, if u can.

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Originally posted by aNYthing To answer the op - yes, compressor or limiter will mess with the transients and getting the ballances right definitely is an art that cannot be just guessed. The psychoacoustics is a very complex science and understanding how it affects perception, as well as repeated listening enjoyment takes a lot of trial and error. So, it's quite possible ther is some merit to your observation. However, my personal opinion is that it is not such an outstanding or groundbreaking track to begin with. I actually LOL at it every time I hear it - it makes me think of some Transformers battle scene full of Michael Bay silliness that accompanies it. No offense but IMO it's hardly original or has any repeat listening value. If the subject matter is of serious interest, track itself notwithstanding, I'd recommend picking up a book called - "this is your brain on music". Very interesting book, touching on numeber of aspects as to why music affects us in various ways and how the mind operates under it's influence. Check it out, if u can.

I do not follow your argument. I never said the track is amazing or even good.

I have read through half of the book, but I doubt it'll cover something as specific as this.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I do not follow your argument. I never said the track is amazing or even good. I have read through half of the book, but I doubt it'll cover something as specific as this.

argument implies contradiction. Mine was only a comment.

But now I'm all confused - what is it that you are asking? Whether compressed music can cause anxiety? I guess it's possible - I read somewhere that Russians were testing effects of inaudible super low frequencies - and it made people very anxious, high strung and alert. Something about primal instincts. Could be some frequencies are triggering yours.

Lastly - yes, your subject line is misleading a bit.

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1) pretty much ALL music is over-compressed these days. someone once told me when i first started producing "if you can't make it better, make it louder," and it's true. if your track isn't as good as the one before it, but is louder, people at clubs/events will get a false perception of more energy in the track and will be more likely to keep dancing.
the unfortunate thing is, generally only people who produce music have any idea that the music they're listening to is virtually dynamic free. the more mainstream client, who, lets be honest, makes up the greater portion of any market, doesn't know or care.

2) any one who craps on about how "music these days is shit" is a moron. whoop-de-fucking-doo if something was more experimental in the mid 90s? seriously, who gives a shit? most of the time experimental tracks sound shit anyway. look at the top 50 trance tunes of 2009 on beatport, and you'll find a plenty of variety.
musically speaking, these days trance is fucking sweet!

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Originally posted by Lyft 2) any one who craps on about how "music these days is shit" is a moron. whoop-de-fucking-doo if something was more experimental in the mid 90s? seriously, who gives a shit? most of the time experimental tracks sound shit anyway. look at the top 50 trance tunes of 2009 on beatport, and you'll find a plenty of variety. musically speaking, these days trance is fucking sweet!

Well, that's, like, your opinion, man.

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Originally posted by Lyft 1) pretty much ALL music is over-compressed these days. someone once told me when i first started producing "if you can't make it better, make it louder," and it's true. if your track isn't as good as the one before it, but is louder, people at clubs/events will get a false perception of more energy in the track and will be more likely to keep dancing. the unfortunate thing is, generally only people who produce music have any idea that the music they're listening to is virtually dynamic free. the more mainstream client, who, lets be honest, makes up the greater portion of any market, doesn't know or care. 2) any one who craps on about how "music these days is shit" is a moron. whoop-de-fucking-doo if something was more experimental in the mid 90s? seriously, who gives a shit? most of the time experimental tracks sound shit anyway. look at the top 50 trance tunes of 2009 on beatport, and you'll find a plenty of variety. musically speaking, these days trance is fucking sweet!

so how does that work out then, genius?

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