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DJ RANN
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Originally posted by mfitterer1


I can't be bothered to go through that post argue, I stand by what i worte and backed it up with concise observations from years of clubbing (since the mid 90's in london) as well as being a professional engineer at a major studio, and being a service engineer in about 3 dozen brands including pioneer, technics, vestax, sony, allen and heath, numark, etc. so trust me when i say i'm someone that embraces new technology.

I Feel, by what you posted, like you come off like a traktor fanboy that's had his baby insulted. I'm not trying to bait or insult you - I just think you completely missed the point by defending the medium, which i truly couldn't give a shit about. My whole point is that I ONLY care about the music which in the case of DJing, relaies so heavily on the performance and interaction.

My technical background is also why I have some perspective and well placed scepticism about new technology "improving" things. I've seen so many things touted as the new sliced bread only for it to be outdated and the flaws realized once the hype dies down. I'm "prepared for new mediums" as long the benefits, all things considered make a positive difference, and I have to say, in my experience, I don't see laptops making DJ performances better, just more convenient for DJ's and in the vast majority of cases, another tool to make life easier for a lazy DJ.

As for the not owning 1000's or 2000's, you're just showing lack of foresight and possibly some ignorance. I didn't buy them because I get to play on them at clubs and the 800's are so close in feel couldn't justify the extra $500 per deck. Working at a studio that has literally unlimited funds in terms of buying kit (and I'm talking equipment s most people will never ever get to even see in real life), also made me a bit of a miser when it come to buying kit for home use.


You'll find many people on here (Dj Woody as an example) who probably plays every week out on 1000's but owns 800s.

Anyway, all this aside, you're completely entitled to beleive that laptop sets are great.

I don't, and until you can come up with some proof that they are, to oppose my heavily researched observations that are not, I'll keep my opinion that staring at a screen detracts from the performance aspect of Djing and distracts the DJ from the crowd, meaning not as good music.

I couldn;t care if richie hawtin can play four choons at once while layer five FX over it or that Zabeila can use two EFX1000;s at once.

It still sounds like my mobile phone overdosing of digital meth.

As for cox, playing driving techno? Nver heard him do that. Every time I've heard him playing here in LA, he plays bouncy prog and house, last time I saw him pay ibiza, he played the warm up as prog then tech house for the later set.

in Toronto he played house both times I saw him and in London he mainly played Tech house or prog.

Finally, until laptop DJ's stop having to take CDs as a backup (as everyone in this thread has concurred with), you're not going to have an easy time convincing anyone, especially me, that laptop sets are more stable the CDJ sets.

Don't get me wrong, I think it has it's place, but it's a long way off (many years) replacing CDJ's as the reliabale and common standard.

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mfitterer1
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Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon

We are both entitled to our opinion and the only reason I was upset by your post was that you were very adamant about making sure things were stated as facts (when they are clearly opinions).

I am not a Traktor fanboy although I do like what they are doing with the product. Stability aside (I had to do lots of mods and it only works on XP flawlessly for me) I see no benefits to cdjs and the performance aspect goes back to dj's personality.

I definitely did not mean to jump down your throat but this is something along with the hardware/softsynth argument that always gets me going. As I said I know what you do and respect your information and knowledge. I do think there is a good deal of personal bias in your statements which is fine; just please don't quote those as fact because it may set people that are on the fence the wrong way. This is my whole reasoning for involving myself in this thread/debate as much as I have. I would hate for someone not to try something solely because a lot of other djs talk shit about it. This happened to me when I was first getting into music and I want to stop it from happening to others so they can use whatever they are comfortable with.

You have to keep in mind the price points. Many people starting with dj'ing do not have the funds to spend 3500-4k on decks. I think the CDJ-2000's have closed much of the gap between software and cdjs but until I purchase those a few months down the road it'd be unfair to comment on if that has happened or not.

If someone were to buy Traktor, use the Audio 4/8 and a DJM-800 (Using as example because it's industry standard) you're looking at spending around 2500. Even if you were to buy cdj800's you're looking at 3k. If someone wanted to buy top of the line and get 1000's you're looking at 4500, and for 2000's 5k. There is no way even someone strictly against software mixing as you are; can say that it doesn't pack a better punch for the dollar.

I apologize if I upset you with my statements; I was heated. I'm not someone that goes back and retracts statements because at the time that's how I felt. I have no problems speaking my mind; even if I know it will offend others. I think now that both sides have been stated people can make their own opinions about the topic.

Last edited by mfitterer1 on Feb-15-2010 at 16:15

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spdandpwr
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Living in Connecticut, Partying in New York

I think a dvs setup is actually beneficial in the situation described. Take for example having only one turntable working, in that case you can have serator on the instant doubles / play on load funtion and then play off one deck that way.


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Brandt Slater
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Registered: Feb 2010
Location: Long Beach, California USA

I have two complaints. Not about TT's, CDJ's, Serato, Traktor, Torq, or any of the shit. My opinion is use whatever you feel comfortable with. Don't move to another system just because everyone else is doing it. Like I've said before, I know a lot of DVS who cut it up, and I know a few who use strictly vinyl and cut it up.

Now back to my dislikes. I wish (and maybe the technology is there already) there was a way for all DVS's could work together in some fashion. My DJ partner uses Serato, and there are times I use Torq, and I really hate it when you have to strike your DVS to bring in another, and vice versa. If I'm using CDs/Vinyl only no big deal. That's why I have a four channel mixer. But it's the multiple DVS set ups. Only way I found it to work ok is if one of us goes with vinyl control and the other uses cd control.
It becomes a pain having to plug and unplug various interfaces.

My other dislike. I've been noticing that some DJ booths are getting smaller. Anyone else notice that. In other words, if you're a vinyl guy no place to put your crates. It seems that some clubs will only cater to DVS dj's.

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