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Originally posted by djandymac if a mix lacks energy it doesnt mean its shit though, it surely means i just needs that extra sparkle and drive that CAN be created at the mastering stage. if a mix is shit i.e. muddy, instruments masking others, no room to breathe etc. then yeh mastering will do nothing to help it. but if a mix sounds good but lacks that little extra drive or sparkle then mastering can bring that out. in my opinion ofcourse lol

but thats where i would disagree, what is mastering going to do to give your mix more energy and drive?

I just dont think you should wait for mastering to make your mix into something awesome if its not already there at the mix stage
When i started making tracks and they were pretty awful (not saying they are anything special now) compared to released stuff i used to think "yeah but those released tracks are all mastered, if only mine was mastered it would be up there with them" - the horrible thing i realised was that was not going to happen solely down to having them mastered...

anyway thats just my opinion!

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I see so many people, myself included at times, rushing things. I know myself if I want a decent lead it could take days of work, not an hour or so. I watch all the FM visdoes and nearly always pros talk in terms of spending a lot of time on tracks.

Damn it man, you save my day - I tough that it's only me who is so slow (will take me some times a few good hours to develop one particular sound). I tough that I'm getting to old (I know that, lol) to produce a music and was thinking about let somebody younger than me taking over this fun, but after you post, I think, I may stay for a few more years, producing music.

Cheers

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Mixing is 95% of the job, mastering is only like the final polish being added read some of the stuff Eric prydz has said on it, his productions sound fantastic A shit mix is a shit mix is a shit mix and no amount of mastering with tonnes of fancy analog stuff will save it

Yes i agree that mixing should be 95% of the job, but what ive read its not the case all the time. Then the good mastering engineer can help it a bit.

Prydz and hes gang has their unique sound and approach to mixing and mastering. I dont think its the most common way. We have no idea what they have on their master output. So without the mastering chain they got those songs wouldnt be as huge sounding. Ofcourse you need to know mixing so the elements wont clash. But i dont think they have some magic stuff in tracks, its the mastering chain.

Just for the record I never said mastering will fix my mix, I just said it was unmastered.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Just for the record I never said mastering will fix my mix, I just said it was unmastered.

lol we know mate. i also never said it will FIX it either, as it doesnt need fixing it just needs some life imo.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Damn it man, you save my day - I tough that it's only me who is so slow (will take me some times a few good hours to develop one particular sound). I tough that I'm getting to old (I know that, lol) to produce a music and was thinking about let somebody younger than me taking over this fun, but after you post, I think, I may stay for a few more years, producing music. Cheers

Keep doing what your doing.

I like paintings, films, food and classical music that that took blood and sweat, tears and tantrums and above all an attention to detail, with real effort and care behind each action.

Stanley Kubrick and other outstanding film directors all had an obsession with detail way beyond the norm. You can see the huge difference between the many mediocre plastic unrealistic 80's sci films and something like Alien.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Keep doing what your doing. I like paintings, films, food and classical music that that took blood and sweat, tears and tantrums and above all an attention to detail, with real effort and care behind each action. Stanley Kubrick and other outstanding film directors all had an obsession with detail way beyond the norm. You can see the huge difference between the many mediocre plastic unrealistic 80's sci films and something like Alien.

Thank buddy,

I feel already much better may friend.

Cheers

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