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Originally posted by Clovis If you agreed, you would have fixed it already.

If I had the personal power to do so, I would man.

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Originally posted by The17sss Just google Rasmussen, Gallup, PPP, etc. and it will show. There's no ambiguity. Well, yes... because in the beginning they did support him. But as the process went on, and more of the bill's content became available, buyer's remorse among the population began to set it; they didn't know "this" is what they were going to get. But even after support plummeted, they still marched on, defying the wishes of the people. This is the difference between Obama and Clinton; in 1994 when the GOP took over the House and Congress, he finally listened to his top advisor Dick Morris and realized he had to become more centrist or lose his 1996 re-election. This time, the Dems are willing to blow up their political careers to pass this. Crazy IMO, but they've been dreaming of this for 100 years; they can relax now because short term losses don't matter. From here on out, it's just going to be a matter of which party that happens to be in power can better manage it.

Dick Morris is a motherfucking moron and Clinton listening to him may be the reason why it has taken us another 15 fucking years to fix something that should have been fixed 40 years ago.

The only reason it is political suicide in this country is because we have people like Glen Beck and the Tea Party going around screaming bloody murder and pretending this is the beginning of the end of this country.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by The17sss This time, the Dems are willing to blow up their political careers to pass this.

and I personally welcomed that. Can you imagine a Rep. do that for the sake of the American people?!?!


you righties might want to learn a thing or two.

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Originally posted by DjWhooCares and I personally welcomed that. Can you imagine a Rep. do that for the sake of the American people?!?! you righties might want to learn a thing or two.

So, then you support abolishing our country as a representative republic? Or, just when the Democrats are in power. I shudder to think how Democrats would react if the Republicans used this kind of sweeping power.

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Originally posted by Clovis Dick Morris is a motherfucking moron and Clinton listening to him may be the reason why it has taken us another 15 fucking years to fix something that should have been fixed 40 years ago. The only reason it is political suicide in this country is because we have people like Glen Beck and the Tea Party going around screaming bloody murder and pretending this is the beginning of the end of this country.

lol... I don't know man, Dick got Clinton elected again so I'm sure Billy-Jeff doesn't think he's too much of a moron.

It's not political suicide because of Beck or Tea Partiers... it's simply because the people are not being listened to by government, and are sick of it. They are elected to serve the people, not to rule.

Imo it says a lot about them, willing to put their morals above their jobs

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Originally posted by Lews Imo it says a lot about them, willing to put their morals above their jobs

What makes them the stalwart of moral tutelage, over the people they are supposed to represent? Are we to think politicians know what's best for us by virtue of being politicians?

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Originally posted by The17sss STFU. Can you not read? I've been discussing this subject for a year on and off around here. You asked a general question that would take forever for me to re-write because there are plenty of specifics. Comb through the TA archives if you want to know.

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Originally posted by The17sss History was indeed made today... for the first time in U.S. history, major legislation was passed that undermined a vast majority of the people's wishes. 234 years as a representative republic is over- and I'm not being melodramatic; those Americans on here that believe it's fine for the politicians that WE elect to not actually represent those who elected them... well, you know the rest.

By your train of thought, if the vast majority of the people they represent wanted to legalize public stoning as an alternative to monetary fines for misdemeanors then that is what they should legislate.

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Originally posted by The17sss What makes them the stalwart of moral tutelage, over the people they are supposed to represent? Are we to think politicians know what's best for us by virtue of being politicians?

What makes the people they represent?

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Originally posted by Lews What makes the people they represent?

It doesn't... I'm just making the point that elected officials are supposed to represent the people who elect them. Once they start deciding they know better than the people, and vote how THEY see fit, damn their constituents, then they undercut the very foundation of what we're about.

see you're a republican, so i'm expecting you to cry foul.
We won this battle, but we have not won the war.

...now, if a republican ever has a good piece of legislation but is being held back by dems, id march right next to him to try and get that passed.

So please don't distort what I was trying to say.

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