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Originally posted by Beatflux If "Smack My Bitch Up" is consider a song, does a mash up of two songs also constitute itself as an original piece of art? Girl Talk considers himself an artist, and what he does is cut up really popular songs and mashes them together in an unmusical way. Is that art? Is a DJ set a piece of new art? If you chop up parts of a song and add DJ effects to it, is that a new song?

My thoughts are, if you heard a mash up or two tracks you kind of instantly know whats going on. Someone has put these two tracks together, you can hear the separate tracks and from that know musically its not an original song or indeed a new song, like someone made from the ground up. That said you dont take away the fact that someone has made something, and taken the time and put some thought into it, as we all know some mash ups over the years have been great even though they are what they are.

As for The Prodigy and tracks made that way, you could say its a new song as its bits and pieces of other songs to make a new peice. Generally you cant tell whats gone into making it, as the samples have been changed so much. Yes you may recognise some but on a whole if your ass is shaking I think thats enough to prove its worth. Liam Howlett from the prodigy and other producers that do the same have used something else to make a sound they want, almost like you would make a sound in a synth but his synth is indeed all the sounds he can sample and change to fit.

In terms of art, mash ups, DJ's, chopping up songs for a dj set, well what is art? Thats the view or the person listening or viewing. Some might say mash ups isnt a piece of art, i'm inclined to almost agree. But some may say that a mash up is, its all down to interpretation.

Classical paintings are viewed as art, yet modern art in some peoples eyes are not & vice versa

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Originally posted by music2dance2 As for The Prodigy and tracks made that way, you could say its a new song as its bits and pieces of other songs to make a new peice. Generally you cant tell whats gone into making it, as the samples have been changed so much. Yes you may recognise some but on a whole if your ass is shaking I think thats enough to prove its worth. Liam Howlett from the prodigy and other producers that do the same have used something else to make a sound they want, almost like you would make a sound in a synth but his synth is indeed all the sounds he can sample and change to fit.

They are taking relatively old samples, so most people aren't even going to have the slightest clue of where they came from. But if the samples were modern and extremely popular, people will tend to think it's a rip off. Hip-hop artists will steal an entire track to use as a beat to rap over.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux They are taking relatively old samples, so most people aren't even going to have the slightest clue of where they came from. But if the samples were modern and extremely popular, people will tend to think it's a rip off. Hip-hop artists will steal an entire track to use as a beat to rap over.

That is indeed very true, but isnt that the nature of the game? To sampole the older stuff so that its isnt recognisable so you can put it out there as something "new".

Seriously though would anyone take samples from modern or extremely popular music? Not in most cases. It has been done and still happens, sometimes to some success but generally its all about finding some old obscure shit to mangle and twist into something new you want to express.

As for hip hop and sampling they go hand in hand, its where most of all this began decades ago, so for it to still be happening is a natural progression.

Doesn't bother me either way. Use whatever floats your boat as long as the end result is to your satisfaction. What I am most impressed by however are people's abilities to pinpoint certain samples or presets and find exactly what sample CD or soundbanks they came from. I've been able to do this on occasion but some of you seem to have a gift for nailing the source of these down.

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Originally posted by Magnus Doesn't bother me either way. Use whatever floats your boat as long as the end result is to your satisfaction. What I am most impressed by however are people's abilities to pinpoint certain samples or presets and find exactly what sample CD or soundbanks they came from. I've been able to do this on occasion but some of you seem to have a gift for nailing the source of these down.

I agree, if the end result is good and it works, then so be it. If I like something and its makes me dance etc then its good, but thats just my opinion. But I do understand why people would dislike the technique of sampling to make tracks.

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Originally posted by kitphillips I was actually the one who posted the first video on here.

*pat on the shoulder*

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^^^ Thank you.

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Originally posted by Beatflux They are taking relatively old samples, so most people aren't even going to have the slightest clue of where they came from. But if the samples were modern and extremely popular, people will tend to think it's a rip off. Hip-hop artists will steal an entire track to use as a beat to rap over.

Theres an element of respect for people who have the musical knowledge to go out and find those obscure and unusual samples. Theres much less respect for someone who takes a track that was number 1 three years ago and rides its coat tails to glory by adding in a heavier beat and some dodgy rapping.

Its funny because house music started off sampling disco, and trance was directly derived from house (and techno to a lesser extent maybe). But now house heads all turn around and get very pissed when someone samples their music. Hypocrisymuch?

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Originally posted by kitphillips ^^^ Thank you. Theres an element of respect for people who have the musical knowledge to go out and find those obscure and unusual samples. Theres much less respect for someone who takes a track that was number 1 three years ago and rides its coat tails to glory by adding in a heavier beat and some dodgy rapping. Its funny because house music started off sampling disco, and trance was directly derived from house (and techno to a lesser extent maybe). But now house heads all turn around and get very pissed when someone samples their music. Hypocrisymuch?

Who's getting pissed?

House would be shit without disco.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Slightly poor example but a lol none the less...

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Another use for synth loops is inspiration and ways of getting some new ideas.

Let's say you've put together some wicked beats but don't really know where you want to go with the track. If you have 100 ready-made synth loops, you can really quickly add them to the beats you've made and then perhaps get an idea of where you want to take your track from there, whether you use them in the final production or not.

IMO they're just additional tools that you can work with. You don't have to use them along with other pre-made loops and build a track together like lego.

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I never use synth loops. I almost always use beat loops, but I dissect them, chop the crap out of them, then reconstruct them.

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