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Originally posted by Marcus007 totally agree with your post pio knows they own the market so they just take advantage of it by gouging us a&h has their market too, don't get me wrong, but I feel it's comparable to the mac vs. pc debate regardless, the lack of being able to link two cdj 850s together is a huge fault...

Interesting analogy above.

100% Agree with both of you.

Sometimes i'm nearly happy the units cost as much as they do so that people like us tell them to get fucked. Imagine the damage they could do if they dropped their prices even a little.

The main problem with their units is that they rarely decrease in price.
Where as the weak dollar-Yen was at fault for an initial price hike I very much doubt the prices will be reduced if trading starts to favour Pioneer again.

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Originally posted by n3lly Interesting analogy above. 100% Agree with both of you. Sometimes i'm nearly happy the units cost as much as they do so that people like us tell them to get fucked. Imagine the damage they could do if they dropped their prices even a little. The main problem with their units is that they rarely decrease in price. Where as the weak dollar-Yen was at fault for an initial price hike I very much doubt the prices will be reduced if trading starts to favour Pioneer again.

That is exactly right, and it really pisses me off. As mentioned, when I got my cdj800 mk2 I paid $500 for it (rrp $599), then the currency exchange went south so they jack up the prices by $200.

Now the exchange rate has got better, in comparable levels to what it was before the hike, there's no sight of price reductions from pioneer.

So instead they bring out a new model which obfuscates the fact the old model should again be cheaper. The new model hides the extra cost in new features.

But my brain goes, hang on, according to moores law, technology gets better over time and cheaper, so even if it is a new model with more features, it should not cost more or at least only increase relative to inflation, which in this climate should actually be a decrease in prices.

but you're right, imagine if they cut costs on the CDJ 850 so it's rrp was around $600.

It would absolutely destroy all the other brands on the market in terms of market share.

But no, pioneer would prefer to flood the market with new models that probably end up costing them a lot of money (r&d, marketing, production, supply, shipping, etc.) and that's why the newer models cost more, as they have to cover these costs.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That is exactly right, and it really pisses me off. As mentioned, when I got my cdj800 mk2 I paid $500 for it (rrp $599), then the currency exchange went south so they jack up the prices by $200. Now the exchange rate has got better, in comparable levels to what it was before the hike, there's no sight of price reductions from pioneer. So instead they bring out a new model which obfuscates the fact the old model should again be cheaper. The new model hides the extra cost in new features. But my brain goes, hang on, according to moores law, technology gets better over time and cheaper, so even if it is a new model with more features, it should not cost more or at least only increase relative to inflation, which in this climate should actually be a decrease in prices. but you're right, imagine if they cut costs on the CDJ 850 so it's rrp was around $600. It would absolutely destroy all the other brands on the market in terms of market share. But no, pioneer would prefer to flood the market with new models that probably end up costing them a lot of money (r&d, marketing, production, supply, shipping, etc.) and that's why the newer models cost more, as they have to cover these costs.

Well said. End of discussion. I'm tempted to close this thread (i joke of course)

just to throw in an idea, at least to me I feel like there is an increasingly growing market of people interested in dj equipment that know absolutely nothing about djing. I feel like now, more than ever, everyone wants to be a dj and go an impulse buy whatever is new and has bells and whistles.

i use bells and whistles

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm beginning to think they are just trying to make people get used to upgrading their DJ equipment every year.

100% Right, Pionner want's more money form existing customers
technology is the secound priority here ...

I think that it was mach more easy for people to decide:
or the cdj 400 (for exemple) or the 2000.

i belive that those who boguht the 900 really want's the 2000...

How well does Denon DN-HS5500CD compare with CDJ850? I love the Direct Drive Motor of Denon HS5500 and HS500CD. I know CDJ's cant offer that kind of thrill but otherwise in features, usability and not to forget the cost?

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