International experience shows that its best for ZERO PERCENT rule when it comes to drinking and driving. Dont feel like wasting time looking for government sources to back this point, but in some countries that have switched from 0% to "couple drinks" (for example, Russia in 2001), it has resulted in significantly higher number of alcohol-blamed vehicular deaths. Hence they are trying to re-write that law back here.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium International experience shows that its best for ZERO PERCENT rule when it comes to drinking and driving. Dont feel like wasting time looking for government sources to back this point, but in some countries that have switched from 0% to "couple drinks" (for example, Russia in 2001), it has resulted in significantly higher number of alcohol-blamed vehicular deaths. Hence they are trying to re-write that law back here.

agreed but as i said, in the same countries u can drink on the street and all night. Also they have way better public transit. These are things that should be considered here if we really want to fix the problem.

In most countries for example, clubs are open all night, serve all night and people take the morning train or subway home. Often too, people hang out in the park and drink at 5 am before they catch the train.

All of this is illegal here. Not to mention im sure people taking transit here would be targeted by cops for public drunkeness.

Ontario: Shut up, pay up or we will beat you!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jer Let me be loud and clear when I say that you do not have that right. If you're at or above the allowed BAC and your ability to drive is affected, you should not be operating a motor vehicle. While it's a shame that such laws have to exist, it's to give law enforcement the authority and justifiable cause. I'm awfully certain I can drive perfectly fine at a 0.07 or 0.08 BAC, but I'm fairly confident a whole goddamned mess of Ontario drivers cannot.

You should ALWAYS have the right to a fair trial no matter what.

Anything other than that is fascism in its truest form.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jer While I understand what you're saying, it takes a couple thousand kids to elect an idiot and only one kid to kill a family of four because he had some dumb bitch pouring vodka down his throat all night. Bring the drinking age to 21. Set the legal limit at 0.05 BAC. Enforce the f*ck out of those laws. You had better believe that things'll shape up, and right f*cking promptly.

I disagree. Making the law 21 will drive drinking underground. It didnt work in the US and it wont work here.

At least now, 19 plus can drink in licensed places under supervision. Make it illegal and youll see many more bush parties and basement parties like 16 year olds are having now.

People dont learn. Treating adults like children actually succeeds in turning them into children!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I agree with this.

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Originally posted by Cuzo I agree with this.

would you agree to this if its zero percent across the board for everyone?


You can't keep treating adults like children. So what's next...if you are 20-30 years of age you can't listen to music while driving because that age group gets into more accidents while listening to music then any other age group.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced would you agree to this if its zero percent across the board for everyone? You can't keep treating adults like children. So what's next...if you are 20-30 years of age you can't listen to music while driving because that age group gets into more accidents while listening to music then any other age group.

dont give them any ideas.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 dont give them any ideas.

don't worry, they can make up stats to support any idea they want to have. All it will take is a group of whiny old women wanting something banned and it will be banned.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced don't worry, they can make up stats to support any idea they want to have. All it will take is a group of whiny old women wanting something banned and it will be banned.

BINGO!

Im pretty MADD about this stupid law. If they really wanted to fix things they would adopt the euro way of thinking.

the punishment for having BAC above zero if you are under 22 in Ontario is $500 plus ignition lock device at your expense. So basically this amounts to a $500 tax on having a beer or even a piece of chocolate mousse! Anyone who thinks that this new law is about public safety is grossly mistaken. the european model of alcohol management is the way to go, but alas, that wouldnt generate revenue like this will!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced You can't keep treating adults like children.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 BINGO! Im pretty MADD about this stupid law. If they really wanted to fix things they would adopt the euro way of thinking. the punishment for having BAC above zero if you are under 22 in Ontario is $500 plus ignition lock device at your expense. So basically this amounts to a $500 tax on having a beer or even a piece of chocolate mousse! Anyone who thinks that this new law is about public safety is grossly mistaken. the european model of alcohol management is the way to go, but alas, that wouldnt generate revenue like this will!

move to europe

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Originally posted by TrAnCeiN4LiFe move to europe

why is that always the answer?

Why cant we learn from what works and take those ideas and apply them here?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill