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Originally posted by c0ld 0ne Says who, you? Sorry, but I don't see the state of the world being improved by religion or its leaders, in fact, I see it destroying people more and more by tearing ourselves apart. This is a MESSAGE BOARD where I am FREE to make my own OPINIONS. If you're upset by what I post, then you can do 1 of 3 things: 1. Ignore my posts 2. Try to understand where I'm coming from 3. Attack my points and prove me wrong with a valid reason

Cold one,

I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences in the past with religion. I myself am Catholic, and like Mikman am not an active practicer but I do see the Pope's visit here as a significant event as do many others. I feel bad for what you've gone through I don't think anyone should be forced to believe in one religion or another since it should totally be their own choice. You are free to express ur opinions about religion and if you don't like Catholicism then it's perfectly fine but at the same time many people are able to go about their lives practicing their religion without tearing themselves apart. Instead they find strength in it, that's all. If it be the will of world leaders and other religious icons to do harm then those are their actions but it does not reflect the intent of every religious follower. Please understand that everyone is different and should be allowed to choose what they follow. This thread was created in order to find out who might be attending the Mass on Sunday and not to create a debate about religion.

I just think that if you want to start a thread about anti-religion where u can state all of your references and research on where it's taking mankind and all the lives in the world it's tearing apart in Israel, China or whereever else then do so but why not make it under a seperate thread? Again I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience with all this when you were younger but hopefully one day you can find some peace with it.

www.religioustolerance.org

Anyways, on the WYD thing , yea so who plans to go ? a "TA Pope meet" sounds interesting hehe ..

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Why don't we meet up then? (For those going...)

My wife is Catholic, part of the WYD Group and hence she's definately going for a different reason other than myself; I'm going for the pure experience and what will most likey be a pretty good natural high if for no other reason.
Hey...I could stay at home, hunch over my keyboard and bitch about this and that, but really, how many times is the Pope even on this side of the world let alone Toronto.

Let me know, PM me, email or MSN: [email protected]

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coolz coolz .. yea i will likely be there as well:

my email: [email protected]
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we should really get something goin.. a TA contingency or something :]

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Im not gonna go into religion or anything....

but what does the pope know?!?! I really think he's lost it (ahhhh....Southpark portrays a perfect image for him)

and I dont wanna offend anybody....but i think religion is just propaganda, thats what religion seems to be about these days.....have they done any good for the world? NO! yes it gives you faith, I can run on faith just by knowing God exists, I don't need anyone telling me what to do or how to do it, or take money out of my pocket....(Vatican has alot of money!! make you wonder!!!).....

or disturbing stories we hear about priests with young boys (maybe that explains why the pope came for World Youth Day )....

I can learn whats right and whats wrong, if you have a conscience (we all do!?!) then you should know what to do....it doesnt mean you'll do it

who are they!?!?! nobody!!! just like me and you.....they just BS

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no one is tellin u how to live.. thatz ur own choice. We have a secular government so itz all about choice. Be glad you don't live in Afganistan or something or one diss about Islam and the Taliban would probably have you castrated. And dood, not agreeing with one's religion is fine, but going out and calling an 89 year-old half crippled man and his religion BS?? man that is almost as bad as being racist. there is no place for that kinda thing here..

man religion is such an easy target for many of you. I'd curse and swear back but then that would just be too 'unCatholic' .. :]

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Last edited by dEsidEL on Jul-26-2002 at 02:56

i read in a study once that people who follow a religion tend to live 6-8 years longer than other people (or somewhere around that amount).

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono i read in a study once that people who follow a religion tend to live 6-8 years longer than other people (or somewhere around that amount).

do you remember that exact reason for that, like what tiggers the human body to live 6-8 years more from just religion???
I don't really think this is really true but you never know...

look @ people that smoke they tend to live longer that healthy people, now why is that???

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Originally posted by dEsidEL no one is tellin u how to live.. thatz ur own choice. We have a secular government so itz all about choice. Be glad you don't live in Afganistan or something or one diss about Islam and the Taliban would probably have you castrated. And dood, not agreeing with one's religion is fine, but going out and calling an 89 year-old half crippled man and his religion BS?? man that is almost as bad as being racist. there is no place for that kinda thing here.. man religion is such an easy target for many of you. I'd curse and swear back but then that would just be too 'unCatholic' .. :]

whatever dood, i dont wanna start a fight with you, thats not like me....its just that is a touchy subject for people thats all, dont diss me, did i diss you!?! I'm saying the same to all religions, not just one, so dont compare it to racism!!! just happen Catholics do all this for the Pope and Im using it as an example....

you called him urself an 89year old half crippled man........and its HIS religion now!?!?! uhhhmmmmmm.....Jesus!!!! wasn't it his??!?! I saw some of his speech live on TV, people clapping and cheering and they dont even know what hes saying (before someone came up to translate it!!)....thats rediculous....useless figures all around the world

I am Muslim, and not a very good one by the book.....Afghanistan is what it is now, and the west is not helping at all! despite what you might be hearing on CNN!!!

but I don't need anyone between me and God! (thats my MAIN point!)....yes the way I live my life is my choice!!!

im gonna stop, and im not gonna post on this thread no more, just because I have difficulty holding myself back, and I dont wanna let loose....It gets to me too much!

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alrite man fine.. like i said earlier too itz ur choice. i m Catholic but i'm not devout just like how ur saying ur Muslim and don't practice it. In the end itz everyone's choice .. but i can't be so quick to dismiss the whole religion (Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.) thing as useless. i'm sure if there was no institution at all not everyone would live like we both do simply adhering to natural laws of right and wrong. and uv course itz a touchy subject cuz itz dealin with pplz beliefs! and i never said this was the Pope's religion. He'z a figurehead and has done some good stuff in his life, but he doesn't OWN in. YEah there are a lotta shitty priests out there but then again what religion is perfect? anyways .. live how you live i'm not telling you what's right and wrong.

peace. :P

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I was there
It was great

and later we were visiting Canada (Toronto, Niagara, Kingston & Ottawa) and Quebec (Quebec city and Montreal)
It was great too,

And maple-syrop with whisky tastes good,

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Originally posted by Zergatik I was there It was great and later we were visiting Canada (Toronto, Niagara, Kingston & Ottawa) and Quebec (Quebec city and Montreal) It was great too, And maple-syrop with whisky tastes good,

hehe
Hope you had fun...

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