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Originally posted by nefardec the discussion is not really about what's acceptable and even less about what's enjoyable - it's about the silly comment that woscar made about 'techno' sounding like 'robots'.

Maybe not specifically here, but the trend is pretty apparent in this forum the last few months.

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tech house sounds like it was made by ableton, and it pretends to have 'humanity' through the indulgent appropriation of samples of music styles it deems to be 'human' and authoritative.

...pretty familiar tune.

Everything today is made via the exact same formula described a few posts above, nobody actually has fun at "tech house" parties, (their only raison d'etre is k-holes and 8balls) all the artists in the scene are just shallow crackheads cashing in on trends, we all worship Wolf + Lamb, just a few people like Speedy J and Theo Parrish play anything remotely respectable these days, and you can only experience real dance music by seeing one of them play a warehouse party that was never posted on RA.

There are no exceptions and there is no middle ground.

Oh one more thing, if you ever try to make any money doing any of this, you might as well just kill yourself now because you're a sellout.

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this is good...background music for sure a la wareika album on perlon...i have to give wareika the edge.

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bas has diamonds in his salt shaker, clovis has truffles in the pepper shaker imo

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Originally posted by Clovis Everything today is made via the exact same formula described a few posts above, nobody actually has fun at "tech house" parties, (their only raison d'etre is k-holes and 8balls) all the artists in the scene are just shallow crackheads cashing in on trends, we all worship Wolf + Lamb, just a few people like Speedy J and Theo Parrish play anything remotely respectable these days, and you can only experience real dance music by seeing one of them play a warehouse party that was never posted on RA.

That sounds about right, except when did I say anything about respectability earlier?


But if you're trolling for my opinion - yes, I think what someone like Theo Parrish does is far more respectable than someone like Lee Curtiss. Is it wrong to have fun? Not at all - but that music is silly, fun time music and shouldnt even be considered on the same metric.

But again, my opinion on this is really unimportant, it's a matter of priorities and tastes. I was a regular at the bunker, minimoo, blk|market, etc parties for a year and the stuff just got super old. Not to mention that I even bought (and played out) a good amount of the stuff. After a certain time it was as described in that movie "Feiern"

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Very, very disturbed people…who would just carry on dancing if you just stood there banging a wooden spoon on a saucepan.”

At some point I just was able to stand there and be like, what the fuck am I listening to? Why do I come here? Is this really what I want to do with my time? Is this how I want to lose my hearing? Is this what I want to spend my money on? I would buy these $200 crates at Beatport and then a month later I couldnt even remember the names of the tracks, much less be inspired to play them.

Like I said - different priorities.

This is a totally irrelevant tangent. Back to the topic: It's electronic music we're talking about. Techno even. Yes, it sounds it's made by robots. So does woscar-beat. Except the robots who make it are wearing gorilla suits and blackface.

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lol I saw Theo Parrish a few weeks ago and it was one of the worst sets I have ever heard. He played a few great old jams but has the worst sense of timing I think I've ever seen from any DJ. He was only slightly better when I saw him at DEMF too. Monty Luke opened for him and did a much better job at keeping people moving.


As for the rest, I fully understand how you could burn out on dance music just as you described, and there have been times where I've sat there at parties and wondered wtf I was doing wasting my time to boring and simplistic music that consistently uses the same tricks to get a reaction out of people. But I don't think it makes sense to then come on a dance music form and blast other people for still being into something you've grown out of. Also, while the hilarious above generalizations can find many supporting examples within the scene, they are still generalizations. Yeah there are a lot of shallow fucks at clubs, and people just there to get wasted but there are also interesting people and folks to whom things might be very new and exciting. Sometimes someone like Seuil can make something really nice imo and sometimes you'll get something tired. Not everyone can be an Arthur Russell or a Moodymann and I would say a good 90% of dance music is just not going to cover much new ground or push the limit musically. Thats just the way it is. This stuff is not deep or super imaginative by default. And a lot of these guys also need to put food on their table and that really minimizes the amount of risk artists are willing to take these days given what sells and what is popular. A lot of producers are just trying to get DJ gigs, or just trying to make a quick hit, but a friend of mine recently made me realize that that is really ok. Let them be them and if you're not into it, thats fine.

Tiesto just had an LA date coming up get cancelled in which he was supposed to make 250,000$ to play CDs with his anthems for 1 night. I think if you want to slam artists for cashing in there are a lot bigger fish to fry than someone like lee curtiss or soul clap making a quick disco edit to keep their comparatively minuscule DJ salaries going.

Now I should probably listen to this album and get back on topic...

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Originally posted by Clovis lol I saw Theo Parrish a few weeks ago and it was one of the worst sets I have ever heard.

Sorry, you had a bad time. I've never had a bad time at a party he's played at. But certainly I'd rather take a risk on hearing a bad theo parrish set than a mediocre blip blop with robert johnson samples set in a room full of crackheads week in and week out. And I'd rather hang out with my friends at a bbq party in the backyard than at a club with overpriced drinks and music so loud you can't hear one another, but that's just me.

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Originally posted by Clovis A lot of producers are just trying to get DJ gigs, or just trying to make a quick hit, but a friend of mine recently made me realize that that is really ok. Let them be them and if you're not into it, thats fine.

Yes, I feel the same. Doesn't mean I can't call it out.

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Originally posted by Clovis Not everyone can be an Arthur Russell or a Moodymann and I would say a good 90% of dance music is just not going to cover much new ground or push the limit musically. Thats just the way it is. This stuff is not deep or super imaginative by default.

Well, that's why I like to listen to and play arthur russell and moodymann records. I don't see why this means that you should play 90% shit. I would rather search endlessly for the top 10%, and spend my time and money on innovative, deep, and super imaginative people. Again, different priorities. I just don't see the point of patronizing mediocrity.

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Originally posted by Clovis Tiesto just had an LA date coming up get cancelled in which he was supposed to make 250,000$ to play CDs with his anthems for 1 night. I think if you want to slam artists for cashing in there are a lot bigger fish to fry than someone like lee curtiss or soul clap making a quick disco edit to keep their comparatively minuscule DJ salaries going.

I never brought economics into this at all. That would be ludicrous, considering how relatively little money is to be made in this kind of super niche market. I just said I don't like it because making music for a party scene is pointless results in boring and disposable products.

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Originally posted by Clovis Now I should probably listen to this album and get back on topic...

It sounds like robots and it is pretty crap, that's all you need to know.

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Originally posted by nefardec Sorry, you had a bad time. I've never had a bad time at a party he's played at. But certainly I'd rather take a risk on hearing a bad theo parrish set than a mediocre blip blop with robert johnson samples set in a room full of crackheads week in and week out. And I'd rather hang out with my friends at a bbq party in the backyard than at a club with overpriced drinks and music so loud you can't hear one another, but that's just me.

But thats what I'm trying to point out here, it isn't JUST one or the other. There is a middle between Theo Parrish and Lee Curtiss and David Guetta. The choice and the options available are not simply between a backyard bbq with a few friends and going to some shit mega club like Pacha do dance with a bunch of guidos.

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Well, that's why I like to listen to and play arthur russell and moodymann records. I don't see why this means that you should play 90% shit. I would rather search endlessly for the top 10%, and spend my time and money on innovative, deep, and super imaginative people. Again, different priorities. I just don't see the point of patronizing mediocrity.

Yeah I agree, but again, I think the whole thing is a lot more loose and nuanced than you make it seem, and these things also have a lot to do with personal sensibilities and taste. Some of my favorite Theo Parrish cuts are simple as fuck whereas there are contemporaries like Bruno Pronsato who make a lot of stuff I really like that is very detailed and complex to me.

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Originally posted by nefardec It sounds like robots and it is pretty crap, that's all you need to know.

Mmm, robots!

lol anyways Adam I'm not trying to be a dick and I think what you say bothers me a lot because I know it is mostly true and that makes me sad I still find glimmers of hope quite frequently with this music though and I still really enjoy going out.

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adam...i like you, but if you smell your own farts (opinions) too much...everything sounds like shit

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Originally posted by epicaricacy adam...i like you, but if you smell your own farts (opinions) too much...everything sounds like shit

i guess i have both a sensitive nose and really noxious farts then.