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Originally posted by Lascodi insane

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Must be my age or nationality.

everything I mentioned was for leisure. Being sober is the best long term solution for getting work done but what I did mention regarding various chemicals is completely true. People have a completely false idea regarding what is good and what is bad for your body.

Sort of like people that believe in alternative medicine, homeopathy…. People just don't read the science journals or have any idea what they are talking about.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Being sober is the best long term solution for getting work done

If you're a guy that's interested of life, being sober is the thing. Work ethics and getting things done (considering this is the 'Production Studio' and getting nice things done in you DAW) isn't getting high on pseudo-placebos like cannabis.

I just don't feel like it. IT'S just not right to me. It's a part of my work ethics, that is a big part of my private life too.

edit. It may be a shock as many don't care, but the "Crackheads alliance" in the c0r was absolutely shocking to me. I didn't think half of the fucking forum was using some shit. That shit is absolutely absurd to me, as stated many posts above.

Last edited by JEO on Sep-25-2010 at 00:42

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad from a purely medical standpoint , per dosage, alcohol is the absolute worse drug you can take. Pharmaceutical heroin being the best. There are absolutely no side effects save addiction which if you have access will not cause a problem. My sister administer's cancer patients doses of morphine that would kill the average person. The second least damaging drug I suppose regarding popularity would be GHB. Again completely benign but it has such a bad reputation because of retards that mix it with alcohol. The worst drugs are as I mentioned alcohol and uppers that put your body in a state of shock. So there you have it. Be safe. Chose life. Chose heroin. The problem comes when you don't have access to good clean drugs which is pretty much everyone. Alcohol, unlike any other drug is a poison. Those myths about it being good for you are only around because people are so high strung in NA that had they not imbibed alcohol, they would have a heart attack. It thins the blood but this is only a healthy thing if you are already unhealthy. This doesn't include the other mediating factor of addiction which wouldn't be a problem except that we live in a world where drugs are not legal. People die and get sick from heroin because it is illegal and they have no idea what they are doing. I prefer a nice tea and champagne tho. The problem with morphine is that it makes you lazy as everything is fine. If you have goals you want to achieve, opiates probably aren't for you. This is more a social factor than health one. My sister knew a famous heart surgeon that had been using morphine for 20 years. He would inject himself in the operating room. He had no side effects and lived a completely healthy lifestyle. His story is different as he had access to clean drugs and knew how to administer them. Using foreign chemicals is like over-clocking your computer. If you don't know what you are doing, which is most people, expect your system to crash. So , like who produces and shit.

Could NOT agree anymore.

Alcohol is a shitty fucking poison just like you say. It rots your frontal lobes, devours your liver, fucks with your insulin/hormones, and is one of 2 of the only drugs I really know in this world where you can die from the withdrawals.

Just think about it JEO, alcohol withdrawals KILL PEOPLE, heroin wds DON'T. If I went to an emergency room in heroin wds I wouldn't be seen by anyone, if it was alcohol, its considered a "medical emergency" and I would get prompt treatment. Thats because alcohol is a shitty fucking waste for what it does to your body. Hangovers, serious cognitive dysfunctions, and its not even fun.

SURE it would be fun for someone who only has access to alcohol and ONLY alcohol, but as far as "fucking choosing life" alcohol will kill you wayyyy faster than most drugs will.

Not to mention alcohol causes irreversible brain damage when opiates do not. The reason opiates aren't legal and alcohol is is because 90% of the population can't control themselves with better drugs. Alcohol has a self regulating effect (hangovers, anxiety, feeling shitty) which opiates manifest only in withdrawals. Thats why someone with a half a brain is more likely to get addicted to an opiate, than alcohol (alcohol reminds stupid people to control themselves). Other drugs don't always do that, which is why you utimately need a brain to remind yourself, and not to fuck up your life before you figure out why not to abuse them in the first place.

People who don't get over addictions and general traumas in life collectively possess lower IQs, which is reason enough for alcohol to be the prefered social drug of choice. Dumbasses need to feel like shit after they drink otherwise they will never stop drinking. Smart people can abuse smarter drugs, with higher addictive potential (obviously because they're more fun) w/out becoming junkies, and w/out ruining their bodies.

Yes I said it, alcohol is the prefered drug of stupid people. Its ok to sip champagne/whine if its your thing, but getting drunk on purpose to "have fun" is straight fucking retarded.

edit: and exactly like m4b said its a liesure thing. Everything in life is about balance, and there are many more things in this world to live for other than partying. But when its time to celebrate, I'm doing it how I want to and not how society tells me I should do it.

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Well, I could use cannabis, but I will not. It could be my morals.

I use alcohol once a week (about 5 litres of beer at a time, which can be a shock to you). I get a hangover, but it keeps me from drinking for the next 1-2 weeks .

I could have given a too tight opinion about drugs, as I couldn't give a flying fuck if my friend used shit. If you're casual around me on drugs it's fine. The thing is, I will never do it. And I hope I can stick to it.

Ps. I think we'd all agree on drugs, being the subject compression or melody or clean vs. dirty. Which I do think there is a fine line that separates them both, and there is a 'best of both worlds' that combines them both. Sampled and original, like the golden age of rap.

Rap, yes.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox But when its time to celebrate, I'm doing it how I want to and not how society tells me I should do it.

Well that's grand!

There are things I can see you're american from by not seeing your flag.

Above that, I appreciate your input on the Production Studio.

This shit belongs to the c0r guys let's just agree on compression and such.. <3

And YEAH, alcohol withdrawals kill people, but not people like me. Put alcohol in context of casual use. It doesn't consider abusers, as does not casual drug use consider drug abusers.




The main thing is: there can be a medical reason for why drugs aren't legal in most countries. But that's just imo

Yeh thats the thing is sometimes its hard to talk about drugs on an internet forum w/out coming off like a junkie (just due to the stimgas of it).
In real life most my friends are relatively level headed/clean cut guys who don't as much really mention drugs on any level. Its more or less just known whos into it and whos not, its casual, private, controlled, and by no means what I think most people would expect.

I'd say in reality 90% of them are strict drinkers, and its a much smaller few that really indulges in other things. But its never about "lets see how hi we can get" its more just for the experience of having a good time and different people simply prefering different poisons.
Either way as long as you're not in rehab heaving your liver up I don't really care that much what people do with themselves. I consider myself a responsible person but I'm still always somewhat a hedonist/epicurian by nature.

Isn't heroin withdrawal comparable to tobacco withdrawal? Well I've smoked for 8 years, and I'm 21. I'm finding it pretty hard to stop smoking. I can skip drinking any weekend.

Please don't flame, as this thread is now about the production studio members' drug (cigarettes, alcohol, opiates) abuse.

Yeh for the record heroin wd is NOTHING AT ALL like tobacco withdrawal. Its almost like the people who list the similarities between heroin and sugar, are there 1 or 2 similarities? Yes.
Does that really mean they actually have anything in common? No.

Heroin wds cause vomiting, nausea, lethargy, diarehea, tremors, shaking, muscle spasms, rls/kicking, pain, aches, extreme anxiety and depression which is THEN followed by an additional withdrawal phase called "paws", which is intense anxiety/depression that lasts for months and sometimes years after stopping.

Tobacco on the other hand I've stopped twice before, and both times the most I felt was just a tad bit of restlessness. Heroin is the second worst drug to withdraw from intensity wise (not healthwise), benzos like xanax/klonopin are ultimately the worst, and most dangerous imo. As bad as heroin wds sound a bad enough xanax habit will put heroin wds to shame.

And we can get back on topic now lol.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox And we can get back on topic now lol.

I agree with you.


I have a bias, as my cousin used steroids. That has given me an insight, that won't really give in in any circumstance.

But that goes under the imo-tag, and is highly off-topic in this thread about clean vs. dirty themes in songs.

I find it really cool if a really clean cut song has a really dirty sample that has been used in a not too abused way. Coming from a rap background, I feel obvious sampling can be used in a delicious way, not too obvious. It's just the thing that the producer does. Rap used to do it all the time, and it was "dirty".
It never bothered me, it was more cool than did it drive me away from the music (like the g-funk melodies straight sampled from funk classics.)

I could see it in edm as good as in rap.

And tobacco withdrawal has caused me to vomit too. 8 years of inhaling that sweet smoke. Giving it up all of a sudden; it's not that easy, but possible.
8 years of using heroin = I can't think of the user being even human anymore.