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Originally posted by Voci Trance-Addict.com killed trance.

Only because it deserved to die.

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Originally posted by BlueSky Your haircut killed trance.

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Ah silence.. ace track and one of the most influential ever. I reckon this record more than any other signified the sound of the late 90s early millennium and the rise of rave culture in america. I remember sasha & digweed dropping the sanctuary remix and everybody going mental. I even saw people cry. I remember a good looking girl breaking down in tears on the dancefloor.

While this record did not kill trance I reckon this record was indeed about death.

Give me release
Witness me
I am outside* She is knocking on heavens door
give me peace* asking for peace

Heaven holds a sense of wonder and I wanted to believe that I get caught up when the rage in me subsides

In this white wave* everything turns white when you die I am sinking• into death In this silence* Everything turns silent when you die
In this white wave In this silence I believe* she is embracing death


I have seen you in this white wave you are silent
You are breathing but in this white wave I am free.

Another brill and equally influential trance anthem that came out a few years later called As The Rush Comes also explored the theme of death.


Traveling somewhere, could be anywhere
There's a (coldness in the air*) (*death) but I don't care
We drift deeper into sound* they are drifting into death
Life goes on* the words life goes on often used after somebody has passed away
We drift deeper
Into the sound feeling strong* they are not afraid to die they are embracing death
So bring it on
So bring it on

She even sings it on the hook:

* Embrace me
Surround me as the rush comes

Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good. The proliferation of music in the 90s, the internet that came and allowed people to network on an international level, the rise of pear to pear sites like napster, the accessible sound of trance which was catchy coupled with the album orientated marketing of labels such as global underground (The 1997 boxed CD GU 007 Paul Oakenfold new york sold 170.000 copies in the US alone) meant that many newcomers were entering the scene and were no longer interested in what was going on in the mainstream american scene as they happily existed outside its sphere of influence. When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process. This is what killed trance mate. Not silence. What killed trance was the endless propaganda in mixmag every month about how it is no longer fashionable to enjoy it. What killed trance was the loss of influential clubs in the uk and abroad that were literally forced at gunpoint to shut down. What killed trance was the endless praise for the shallow music that went on to replace it. What killed trance was the deliberate deception towards artists and label owners from the industry coupled with the lies about how digital distribution has the answer to the decline of record sales.
But let me ask you this, I reckon if digital distribution and experimental music really had the answer and they had about 6 years of it shouldn't we be talking about the increase in label revenue? Shouldn't we be seeing the dance industry recovering from the loss of physical distribution? Shouldn't we be seeing new people entering the scene that are there for the music rather then there for the drugs? But no... everytime we question these schemes we are seen as being blinkered to the bollocks they are force feeding us. There there is a big elephant in the room and mate I reckon this is a classic case of destroy and rebuilt. What we are seeing here is some dodgy media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you want to take credit for and the people are too gormless to know any better.

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove Ah silence.. ace track and one of the most influential ever. I reckon this record more than any other signified the sound of the late 90s early millennium and the rise of rave culture in america. I remember sasha & digweed dropping the sanctuary remix and everybody going mental. I even saw people cry. I remember a good looking girl breaking down in tears on the dancefloor.

I remember when Delerium's Karma first came out, and no one gave a fuck about the original version of the song, beyond it being "that one with Sarah McLachlan on it". Y'know, I think no one still does...

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd +1

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good. The proliferation of music in the 90s, the internet that came and allowed people to network on an international level, the rise of pear to pear sites like napster, the accessible sound of trance which was catchy coupled with the album orientated marketing of labels such as global underground (The 1997 boxed CD GU 007 Paul Oakenfold new york sold 170.000 copies in the US alone) meant that many newcomers were entering the scene and were no longer interested in what was going on in the mainstream american scene as they happily existed outside its sphere of influence. When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process. This is what killed trance mate. Not silence. What killed trance was the endless propaganda in mixmag every month about how it is no longer fashionable to enjoy it. What killed trance was the loss of influential clubs in the uk and abroad that were literally forced at gunpoint to shut down. What killed trance was the endless praise for the shallow music that went on to replace it. What killed trance was the deliberate deception towards artists and label owners from the industry coupled with the lies about how digital distribution has the answer to the decline of record sales. But let me ask you this, I reckon if digital distribution and experimental music really had the answer and they had about 6 years of it shouldn't we be talking about the increase in label revenue? Shouldn't we be seeing the dance industry recovering from the loss of physical distribution? Shouldn't we be seeing new people entering the scene that are there for the music rather then there for the drugs? But no... everytime we question these schemes we are seen as being blinkered to the bollocks they are force feeding us. There there is a big elephant in the room and mate I reckon this is a classic case of destroy and rebuilt. What we are seeing here is some dodgy media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you want to take credit for and the people are too gormless to know any better.

Yaeh, you make an excellent point. Also, somewhere in the 90's when house music wasn't doing well, the trance scene could've taken the shot and making a deep impact on the mainstream scene, but it seems that Daft Punk stole that opportunity.

I think another problem is that claasic trance suddenly sounded old, dated and non-trendy when progressive trance came around with a much more polished sound than its predecessor sub-genre.

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what kills trance is that there so few people which knows what is trance ... including the DJs themselves and that is a shame.
Most people nowadays don t want to argue on which style is what record ... so everything is mislabelled.

And i think it was PvD the first to kill trance with "nothing but you" and "another way", i used to call it dance music when i was young, i was very surprised later he was known as a famous trance artist.

(and i won t even speak of ATB )

Trance killed silence.

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Originally posted by Wordsforlove Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good.

I agree with you about Silence, but I never found As the Rush Comes to be dark. It's a beautiful tune, but it's clearly about taking ecstacy. "coldness in the air" I always interpreted to be about goosebumps, chill feelings, etc, not death. Plus there were other positive lyrics like "feeling strong".

What killed trance was time and a lack of fresh talent. Nothing continues for ever, and in some sense it did get too big for its own good. The level of quality found late 90's to early 2000's couldn't be sustained.

Btw - first post here in 5 years. What killed trance? Me leaving

Yes, it definitely got too big for its own good. The only people who I know that even SEEM to be aware of what trance is even argue its definition amongst themselves. Not to mention that there is simply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much garbage to sort through when you're trying to find good music.

One of the posters above me has a sig that reads, "Nobody gives a shit about your SoundCloud" or something like that. That hits the nail on the head.

Every damn time I turn around, I'm getting spammed with all kinds of people trying to promote themselves. I see it on TV, I hear it on the radio, I even read it on this website. As much as I feel like a douche for saying this, sometimes I just wish all these self-centered bastards would shut the fuck up.

I've spent years investing in DJ and production equipment, only to have the entire fucking scene go out with a whimper, because it was flooded with too much garbage and shameless self-promotion. Too many people all claiming to be the next biggest thing.

Yeah, I'd say I'm pretty damn frustrated right now. But it's from the heart, all the way. My apologies.

I'll be happy if I can simply host a weekly mix session in my bedroom studio, with only a few of my friends in attendance...and that's if they aren't already busy trying to host something of their own. There can be no audience if everyone is constantly trying to be in the spotlight.

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Originally posted by 5HT I agree with you about Silence, but I never found As the Rush Comes to be dark. It's a beautiful tune, but it's clearly about taking ecstacy. "coldness in the air" I always interpreted to be about goosebumps, chill feelings, etc, not death. Plus there were other positive lyrics like "feeling strong". Btw - first post here in 5 years. What killed trance? Me leaving

Welcome back tot he board. You might be right. I thought because it said embrace me and life goes on it could be based around death but they say interpreting music is not always an entirely rational process.
DIfferent records mean different things to people. We like certain records because they remind us of good memories of past events taking place in our life at the time.
I remember spinning at a party at the time and a young couple that had just met there came up to me and requested As The Rush Comes. I played the record and they started kissing when it came on. For them it was their love song. We like a lot of music but rarely do we have the time to stop to really listen to the words and what they mean because at times being part of this scene feels like we are caught in the moment.
It is like we are spend too much time going around in a car someone else is driving to stop and and voice our concern for the direction we are moving in.

Perhaps yes the edm scene got too big for its own good and it got shut down and you know mate they say fear is greater than love. Perhaps fear took over and some bad decisions were made.
To be honest in a way I am not saddened that the scene is the way it is today because only now that I see what its come to be can I truly appreciate what this music once stood for. I genuinely admire the talented producers and djs that gave us these great memories. As much as people like to blame Tiesto, Armin, PVD, Sasha or any of these high profile djs for the state the dance scene is today I chose not to.
I will forever be grateful for all these great memories they gave us.

I believe these people made their mark on this world and in a way I don't think we can blame any of them for wanting to be part of it rather than wanting to change it.

You know mate the past couple of years I have been reflecting on what the Trance scene meant and the story that comes to mind is the story of a young talented producer called Adam Spears. Adam Spears was only 18 years old and he had a record out that was receiving international play. And this mate what the dance scene was about at the time!
It was about young people having the right to find their way in the world and genuinely express themselves through music rather than buying into some old mans idea of what values music should be built on. It was about young people deciding for themselves what they should like rather than reading what music they should like and what music they shouldn't.
It was a great time where both the free market and the artistic expression were allowed to breath and it is of my belief that we need to allow these talented young people to empower themselves again so that they can define their own destiny and the culture around them. Starkid made a wish and that wish came true. His record got signed he started getting exposure things started happening for him but then some drunk driver came clipped his wings off. It seems to me the same thing happened to dance music.

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No one killed trance, 1000's and 1000's of people still go to trance events and support it today and is still the best version of EDM. Of course it has changed thats life, shit happens.