Ok will do, time to open Fl anyway lol.

From the forum rules:

# Flaming
I like a good argument as much as anyone (probably more), but when it starts degenerating into random insults, it's not a debate anymore, it's a flame war. We don't want those; they alienate regular contributors and scare away the newbies. Just keep it civilized.

Seeing that Robby keeps referring to the rules, it'd also be good if he provided the parameters for the word "civilized". I'd just like to know where the line is drawn.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Second, "reasonable" is a more subjective term. You may think he's being reasonable just because you worship the music he makes

Cute thought but I haven't heard anything he's made. I'm aware of him as an established producer but haven't personally listened to any of his music.

If it's in the guidelines not to sell shit then my bad, I wasn't aware. Neither was he. Someone could have calmly pointed that out to him instead of having 20 people clusterfuck him with insults acting like he's fucking destroying this forum from the inside out by making one little thread. I don't give a shit if it's in the rules or not, I don't care what reasons you're trying to come up with to justify it, you guys fucking overreacted, and still are. It's one thread meant to sell something, which doesn't happen more than a few times per month. This thread would have already been on page two or further back if you guys didn't act like little kids fighting over nothing. All it takes is one fucking reply to sort everything out quickly and easily, but you guys apparently prefer showing off how good you are at being jackasses. All that does is give threads like this more exposure than you want them to have. If that's your idea of a justifiable reaction, if you actually think this thread turned out better than it could have if you guys calmly explained the situation to him, then congratulations, you're fucking retarded.

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Originally posted by Kysora Cute thought but I haven't heard anything he's made. I'm aware of him as an established producer but haven't personally listened to any of his music. If it's in the guidelines not to sell shit then my bad, I wasn't aware. Neither was he. Someone could have calmly pointed that out to him instead of having 20 people clusterfuck him with insults acting like he's fucking destroying this forum from the inside out by making one little thread. I don't give a shit if it's in the rules or not, I don't care what reasons you're trying to come up with to justify it, you guys fucking overreacted, and still are. It's one thread meant to sell something, which doesn't happen more than a few times per month. This thread would have already been on page two or further back if you guys didn't act like little kids fighting over nothing. All it takes is one fucking reply to sort everything out quickly and easily, but you guys apparently prefer showing off how good you are at being jackasses. All that does is give threads like this more exposure than you want them to have. If that's your idea of a justifiable reaction, if you actually think this thread turned out better than it could have if you guys calmly explained the situation to him, then congratulations, you're fucking retarded.

Hey more exposure helps set an example so it doesn't need to happen ever again. Look at that evil bitch Jennifer Petkov. Was international exposure in 1 week an "overreaction"? Of course, all she did was taunt some dying 7 year old girl on facebook. Sure it was bad but by no means a "justifiable" reaction how the public behaved.

And look how well it turned out. By week 2 her house was getting trashed and she had recieved multiple death threats. I guarantee for the next 10 years you won't ever hear a story like that again.

If I handled this thread cooly and calmly, he very likely would have tried bumping it 1 or 2 weeks from now. Or someone different all together would have assumed TA is full of a bunch of pushovers, and just done the same thing he did. I can't sleep at night with the possiblity that certain people may think my kysoras a door mat. You're like my brother man.. how could I ever allow that?

What also happens when you're polite, is that people think they have the leeway to engage you and impose their logic. You try to be polite again, and they keep pushing thier point. THATS when threads REALLY wind up getting long. We'd prob be on page 14 now if people weren't such jackasses.
I know perfectly well I come off retarded at times or like a jerkoff, its nothing really new. But I also pick and choose to do it when I think its important.
Theres someone else on this forum (actually a lot of people) who advertise their shit in the production studio. That one guy with the cosmos sample packs and alanzo too. When I first heard the cosmos guys basslines I liked them, but I was still pissed he was spamming the forum.
Someone asked him a question like "what do you use for your bass" and all he did was write 1 sentence how 90% of his bass are made with sylenth and the other 10% a virus. Immediately, just because I saw he was WILLING to answer questions, I lost all desire at that point to be a jackass to him. He doesn't post regularly, but he also doesn't take the position "I'm too good to reveal secrets/help you people". I instantly got that snobby impression from lax, which obviously provoked me.

Another one is Alanzo. He use to post more reguarly, and I didn't mind his presets at all. But now its come to the point where the ONLY time you ever see him is when hes got a new pack out. That doesn't bother me like lax bothers me, but it IS starting to piss me off slowly more and more. And next time he does I'll prob "flip the script"... yo.

Present a side to you that is human and approachable, not one that makes you look like a selfish, heartless salesman. Alanzo knows damn well this isn't the forum for it too which makes it worse. Its not enough he lists it on ebay or the promotion forum but he really has to put that shit here too? It just signifies greed and a higher respect for money than people. I could likely even benefit from some of his work I just don't care for the way he advertises it. "Pay the full price or pay w/e you want". It sounds rational to some people, but thats one of the worst sales tactics in the world. You either set a price or you make it all free. But when you do shit like that you wind up communicating to people "my product really is worth nothing, but I'm still not going to stop trying to profit off it". A customer wants to see first that a business actually believes in their product before they buy it.
I judge the quality of the presets I can't hear by the fact that hes NOT willing to set a standard price. That to me means he hasn't even convinced HIMSELF yet that his product is worth something. So why should I assume it is?
Fuck catering to rich and poor people at the same time. In a way he's trying to be so overtly honest, and "fair", in the hopes he will actually be trusted and wind up making more money. Like wtf? Thats shady shit, I'm bound to trust you less. HOW MUCH is your product worth? Sell if for what its worth to you, not what you think its worth to every individual person in the world.

And yeh this has not a fucking thing to do with the OT. I can't help it sometimes cause like you said I'm retarded. But I still realize deep down in the abyss that is kysoras heart, you DO actually love me.

peace & happiness to all of ta!!

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox What also happens when you're polite, is that people think they have the leeway to engage you and impose their logic. You try to be polite again, and they keep pushing thier point. THATS when threads REALLY wind up getting long. We'd prob be on page 14 now if people weren't such jackasses.

So you honestly justify being an obnoxious, insulting douchebag because it prevents the possibility of civil, open discussion?

Jesus fuck.

I think alcohol might have something to do with it.

when I get drunk , I get all cuddly and friendly and just want to dish.

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Originally posted by Kysora So you honestly justify being an obnoxious, insulting douchebag because it prevents the possibility of civil, open discussion? Jesus fuck.

I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand what I type, or if a virus devours your brain tissue as we speak.

I'll explain this very simply for you.
As you were typing that response, I'm sure on some unconscious level you were thinking "right now kysora is having a logical civilized debate with roxx".

But your first mistake was assuming that logic and civilized mean the same thing. The logic you JUST imposed on me I don't consider civilized, and its the same exact "logic" (its not really logic cause even a monkey knows no 2 words mean the same thing) I try to evade by being an "obnoxious, insulting douchebag". Our interaction here is a direct representation of why I should have been a jackass to you 10 posts ago. But rather, I was tolerable and accepting, and am now 3 seconds from wanting to kill mysef.

Should I want to swallow the barrel of a rifle right now just cause I chose to be polite to you? No.. thats not fair. I'm a good person and the world would suck if I died. Yet out of some ironic empathy towards you, I found it hard to just tell you to fuck off and die. And now once again no good deed goes unpunished.

Thats why I'm recommending right now, for the sake of our relationship, that we end this discussion now.

And in response to M4B I don't drink more than seldomly, so I'm perfectly sober right now. But I'm definitely a bit high on life and thats been known to alter my judgement at times.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand what I type, or if a virus devours your brain tissue as we speak. I'll explain this very simply for you. As you were typing that response, I'm sure on some unconscious level you were thinking "right now kysora is having a logical civilized debate with roxx".

Actually it was more along the lines of "right now kysora is trying to talk a brick wall into moving and it's not listening" and this post more or less confirmed that. People like you are the reason God stopped talking to us.

The sad part is that all the drums are either from Uberschall Techno trance or some vengeance packs which originated from the uberschall library. Regardless of the situation, I am quite certain that sunny lax is not the kind of guy I would want to pit roast a hooker with

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Originally posted by Kysora Actually it was more along the lines of "right now kysora is trying to talk a brick wall into moving and it's not listening" and this post more or less confirmed that. People like you are the reason God stopped talking to us.

Oh...you two are so adorable and funny. This is entertaining.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Alcohol is such a depressing high =]