yes it has been discussed millions of times here. try the search.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I have no statistics, but one thing I've noticed recently is that lots of people on production forums have said that they are going all software, either selling any hardware synths and effects or just letting them gather dust. As the sound of software advances, hardware may be losing its mystique, and for many it may be too much of a hassle compared to an all-in-the-box solution. What do you think?

If software wasn't obtainable for free, the statistics would be different.

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Originally posted by tehlord I'm yay close to getting a Nord Rack and I was watching your Nord vid yesterday. Is there a huge difference between the Rack/Lead 2 and the Lead 3?

Yes, they're entirely different instruments. Many people own both. I've only had a Nord Lead 3. Most who have had both consider the NL2 to be more "analog" whereas the NL3 is more digital. But the NL3 is digital in a very good way.

They are both based off the same sound engine, so it could be just skepticism. I would say get a NL3, it can sound VERY analog, and compare it to a Nord Lead 2 when you get a chance. Decide for yourself which you like more.

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Originally posted by Timothy If software wasn't obtainable for free, the statistics would be different.

Yeah, that's a great point. Unfortunately, hardware companies aren't giving away stripped down versions of their synths to entice people to buy the full versions. And, of course, pirating hardware has pretty severe consequences.

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piracy is indeed the whole explanation of Software > Hardware , both have some advantages and disadvantages but free vs X,XXX $ is a really big factor.

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Originally posted by alanzo Most who have had both consider the NL2 to be more "analog" whereas the NL3 is more digital.

It would be good to talk in more descriptive terms - all Nord Leads are digital. "Analog" can mean many things - warm, fuzzy, glitchy, temperamental... By saying that one digital synth is more analog than another, leaves it open for someone to say that a softsynth like Massive is more analog than a Nord Lead. That argument would be completely valid, since they're all digital.

I can't see why, if they wanted to, Clavia couldn't just port the code for all their Nord Lead synths into plugin versions and have them sound the same. The only difference would be the synth's output, the audio cable and the sound card's input. In a mix, that wouldn't make much of a difference, I'd imagine.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Lastly. Nearly all of my gear is worth something years later... whereas software is nearly worthless... can you see someone lusting after say... wavelabs plugin 20 years down the road? Do u think your multi thousand sw purchase will be worth anything in 20 years? The reason why sw is popular is because how easy it is to steal it and how cheap it is to produce it. You don't have to spend much on circuit design, prototype build, materials, etc. Time to deploy - much faster and cheaper.

Yeah, can't imagine most digital synths being worth something years later though. Its all to do with obsolescence, any piece of kit will drop in price if something better comes along, which happens with all gear these days. Your vintage stuff is a different matter though.

Again, its not a HW vs SW issue there, its a digital versus analogue or modern vs vintage at best.

Agree with the rest of your post though, pretty much my feelings too.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, can't imagine most digital synths being worth something years later though. Its all to do with obsolescence, any piece of kit will drop in price if something better comes along, which happens with all gear these days. Your vintage stuff is a different matter though. Again, its not a HW vs SW issue there, its a digital versus analogue or modern vs vintage at best. Agree with the rest of your post though, pretty much my feelings too.

nearly all of my synths ARE vintage.... I only have 2 modern synths... Access virus TI 2 x 2. And NL3. Everything else is ooooold skool. The sheer artifact effect is enough entoxicating.


Shit. That's the name for my "band": Artifact Effect. Yeaaaaa!!! DIBS ON THE NAME!!!ON1!!!E!111111!!

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, can't imagine most digital synths being worth something years later though.

It depends on the digital synth, though. Try to find a Yamaha DX5 or DX1 (both digital FM synths from the 80s) and you're looking at $1200-$2K for a DX5 and up to $8K for a DX1! Even prices on the FS1R are starting to creep back up to the price that they went for new when they were produced back in 1998. It's obviously hard to say what's going to happen with prices on all the VAs when they become vintage 20 years from now, but some of the discontinued models have already held their resale value pretty well (e.g., 44-voice Supernova II). I think a large part of that is due to the market being flooded by the cheap plastic offerings from Roland, Korg, Novation, etc.

And, of course, all it's going to take is the supersaw becoming retro-cool in 2025 and all of a sudden JP8000s and Virus Bs will be selling on eBay for $2-3K.

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Originally posted by cryophonik ...the market being flooded by the cheap plastic offerings from Roland, Korg, Novation, etc.

Oh, and let's add M-Audio to that bandwagon with their new Venom VA:

http://www.analogindustries.com/blo...d=1293120117755

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Originally posted by alanzo Yes, they're entirely different instruments. Many people own both. I've only had a Nord Lead 3. Most who have had both consider the NL2 to be more "analog" whereas the NL3 is more digital. But the NL3 is digital in a very good way. They are both based off the same sound engine, so it could be just skepticism. I would say get a NL3, it can sound VERY analog, and compare it to a Nord Lead 2 when you get a chance. Decide for yourself which you like more.

Ok cheers.

I always find the Clavia website to be a little bit haphazard when it comes to finding out info. From what I can tell the Lead 3 was superceded by the Wave so I may go and demo one of those before buying a Rack 2

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