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Prototrance
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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Has anyone considered that the purpose of digital gear now is not to emulate analog gear? Sure this was the purpose of some of the earlier stuff, for example the bank on my Nord Rack which is a 'replication' of presets from a SC Prophet V.

Haven't we moved on????

Gear should be considered for it's application not it's construction.

Example, I want a Juno 106. Not because I want to sit it in my studio and wank over it's heritage, it's because I want to make pads on it due to the warm Chorus it uses because I can't find a VA, softsynth or software effect which gets it as close as I want.

Equally, at times I need to use the hollow digital sounds from a softsynth like Vanguard.


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hopefully sooner rather than later.


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Fledz
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Re: Re: When will the obsession with "analog" stop?

quote:
Originally posted by Timothy
I have been thinking the same also.

In movies, it's all digital now and when you look at movies such as Avatar, it looks much better than old analog films.

So why do we have not seen the same evolution in audio.

Are you serious? You can't so easily compare one sense to another.

Digital looks better when it comes to film, but digital doesn't sound better, at least not in my view.

Digital synths can be too static where as their analog counterparts aren't and have the analog warmth. Vinyl is still a nicer sounding medium because of this.


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quote:
Originally posted by MSZ
LEAVE ANALOG ALONE. WHATS NEXT? SIDECHAIN?! FUK!!!



....cowbell is next....


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

It will never stop, as software will NEVER close the last 50% emulation gap. And it can't be downloaded, people will always want something real and authentic.

I guess a lot of people are happy with what software brings, others just want a different vibe that software can't bring. One is not better than the other, one just does something that the other still can't quite catch up with.

I really don't get it why all the VST boys still have the urge to start topics to justify that their emuations sound as good. Who cares?!?

And if others burn 20K$ on outboard? again who cares?!?
This whole debate is a non issue. Spend what you want, have pride of ownership, don't download and be happy and productive.


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Specimen303
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What I don't understand is why the word "analog" and "vintage" needs to be used for marketing new stuff. Can't new digital gear and vsti be great on their own?

However I do understand when people actually use real analog synths and other hardware. I don't give a f*ck if I'm not productive and make dozen songs a week. I do what I do for fun. To me having fun when producing music includes using analog and digital gear and virtual instruments.

Why should everyone use just vstis? should everyone also use same sample packs? should everyone use same presets? should everyone sound exactly the same? why can't there be variation? Just because you have found the way which suits you best doesn't mean that everyone should act and think like you.

Next you propably argue that vsti's and samples sound better in Mac than they do in PC.

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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

lol, that's indeed a good point, all those crappy vsti's with "real analoque modelling filters"

let VSTi's be good in their own right, in the digital domain, not to piggyback ride trying to emulate something that can never be emulated, like UAD tries with analoque outboard....


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Richard Butler
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This guy below, all analogue, much of it vintage. I read his FM interview and from reading was convinced he must have an awesome sound, but honestly it's run of the mill to my ears.

Myself I don't see why people polarise themselves. Analogue and digital are different, and one can use both, or either to make good music.

I do have an analogue synth (Leipzig) which I use for break leads.
My best mate had an Oberheim OBX (I think) and an SH101 and I had a Moog Rogue and we used to use them a lot but honestly most of the sounds were ok, but nothing particualry to get worked up about.






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Raphie
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True, VST's are good in there own rights. It's like waterpaint and oil paint, both can make great paintings, though have different characteristics. At the end of the day, it's the painter that makes the difference.


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Analog v Digital thread no. 123456


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Fledz
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quote:
Originally posted by evo8
Analog v Digital thread no. 123456

Next on the agenda:
PC vs Mac no. 132435663900020022374288982


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