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Originally posted by Swamper What I am saying is that those that do not like Trance make a POINT of letting everyone know they do not like it whereas those that do, for the most part, do not engage in that kind of behaviour (i.e. jumping into a techno/house thread and dismissing it as rubbish) Your perspective of MD gets automatically tarnished when Trance threads within MD get derailed by trance-haters. Yes, I agree, there is a lot of shit trance out there, but there is a lot of shit music in other genres being dumped/produced in a 'let's see what sticks' fashion. Trance just gets dumped on the most.

I disagree. Any thread about any genre that is about the shitty portion of that genre gets hacked to pieces. The only reason it might seem like trance gets butchered more is because there are more threads about it. Newly registered users = new threads on trance. Almost always the bad stuff. Thread about wobble wobble shitty dubstep? TA rips you a new one. Thread about David Guetta? TA rapes your girlfriend.

If you're going to complain about the state of TA you have to take all this into consideration. And if you get rid of *all* this flaming it would mean censorship and a cesspool of threads of so much horseshit I would personally never return.

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Originally posted by Redd Ok I guess we have to define "most users" to even begin discussing this. This site has LOADS of members, most of whom never ever post. When I wrote most users here don't like trance it was to explain why he and every other tit ranting like that gets bashed here.

I guess you should define "here" too. Some sections even have lots of 2001 users you never see in this section.

By the way, did I tell you I still like trance yet?


Ow, and some people here can stay polite especially to new members even if they ask a question for the 1001st time.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I guess you should define "here" too. Some sections even have lots of 2001 users you never see in this section. Ow, and some people here can stay polite especially to new members even if they ask a question for the 1001st time.

MD. Can't speak for any other section really. This was where he posted and got the reaction. I don't see how this can be unclear.

Asking a question for the 1001st time isn't rude. Asking a question that can be answered by reading stickies or googling is. Answering lazy rude people politely encourages more of it.

edit: removed a lot of nonsense.

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Last edited by Redd on Mar-10-2011 at 21:41

Hey, guys

I think the problem that I have with threads like this one (albeit a little less than the other one I C&P'd my feigned agreement with), is that they're so murky to begin with. They always present with staunch sentimentality for the fading way things used to be. They find fault with the status quo while failing regard for the fact that all musical styles exist within their own continuum. In that regard, they have a cause for propping up that which is perceived to be sagging - and not in a very productive way.

What I've noticed about this forum is that the most successful threads are consistently non-reductive in their analysis of music, unless by incidental comparison. The OP usually asks for something specifically related to music they're interested in discussing and if people can relate to it, then the thread is relatively successful.

The worst threads are purely reductive criticisms (Shaw's Worst DJ thread being an exception that proves the rule) and those which promote artists converging on or already in the mainstream (Above & Beyond, Armin Van Buuren, Tiesto, Swedish House Mafia, Deadmau5). Threads which are started to slam Deadmau5 (who I actually like), dubstep (and even citing legitimately crappy music e.g. Brostep), minimal - even when there's wide agreement - don't really serve any purpose and usually descend into meaninglessness, anyways.

Personally, I think these "cause" threads are one step above the reductive critique threads and are inherently reductive in themselves since, more often than not, they seem to focus on what isn't to someone's liking, which pretty much maps out the thread's future to be that which continually focuses on a deficit. Maybe Trance Energy has earned remembrance but attempting to leverage some collective negotiation to help maintain the same format it's had since its inception, seems a little short-sighted.

It isn't really pointing to anyone who's being innovative in music. It's not concerned with stylistic elements. It doesn't even focus on musicians, producers, DJ's and/or promoters who actually might be continuing where TE left off. It's just trying to insist that nothing good will come from TE's change and that it should therefor stay the same as it used to be. I'm neither for or against that. It's just with such a focus, I don't think it's necessarily wrong to take issue with it and I'm also not really certain how it qualifies as a topic for Music Discussion, to begin with.

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Originally posted by Redd Asking a question for the 1001st time isn't rude. Asking a question that can be answered by reading stickies or googling is. Answering lazy rude people politely encourages more of it.

Google can answer many questions, however, what is obvious to us maybe isn't to some youngsters.
You can be polite and still tell someone there are better ways. Also a bit of humor helps, no need to be really rude IMO. I'm convinced giving a clear answer instead of a rude has better effect.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm also not really certain how it qualifies as a topic for Music Discussion, to begin with.

Don't really see a problem with that, as it's about change of music style.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Don't really see a problem with that, as it's about change of music style.

No, it's not. It's about lobbying against a change of music format by a promoter. It's focus has nothing really to do with music, directly. It's more about politics/business that, while related to the music it pertains to, have relatively little to do with traits that are relevant to said music.

If you want to continue such a discussion under the belief that you're discussing music, that's fine, but my point is that in doing so, you're accepting a dilution of the topics relevant in this forum and that, in doing so, ultimately contributing to a disruptive lack of focus in it.


EDIT: Really, in my opinion what's needed, if people want to discuss topics like this, is a Music Business/Industry Forum. I'm almost certain there's tons of interesting topics to be had in that from corrupt promoters to clubs with good sound-systems to industry trends.

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Originally posted by enydo Hey, guys

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Originally posted by EddieZilker EDIT: Really, in my opinion what's needed, if people want to discuss topics like this, is a Music Business/Industry Forum. I'm almost certain there's tons of interesting topics to be had in that from corrupt promoters to clubs with good sound-systems to industry trends.

I'm open to ideas...

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I don't see how moving the discussion under another header is going to change the outcome of threads like this. The basic issue is that the forum has a group of established tastemaker members who have been around for a while and are well respected, and their tastes and opinions dominate who and what is acceptable. This is a situation that has evolved naturally, dictated by the age of the forum and when most of the members joined.

It has little or nothing to do with how trance fans respect other genres or how other people don't - I remember the old "trance vs prog" wars where there were constant threads, arguments and memes where uplifting trance fans would bash prog. Then there was a lot of bashing of minimal techno, today there's a lot of bashing of dubstep. The level of bashing is proportional to the level of discussion - drone ambient doesn't get bashed much because drone ambient isn't very popular. If it were somehow ubiquitous in clubs right now, you can bet your ass there'd be plenty of threads about how much it sucks.

I don't think you can moderate the hostility out of TA without ruining the forum. Personally I'm just bored of it, even though I've been on both sides of it in the past - dished it out and took it on the chin. I'm making more of an effort to educate people positively by posting good music, explaining things, quoting articles. If they want to listen, they will.

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Originally posted by Swamper I'm open to ideas...

I was thinking it would fit in well in the DJ'ing/Production/Promotion section. Threads like this one, posted in the Production Studio, could probably get a little more attention and threads, like the one in Music Discussion about Beatport not labelling their tracks would also be at home.

While many of these threads aren't necessarily neglected or assailed here or elsewhere, these sorts would be easier to find while also giving the OP a forum for which his or her views/topics are more appropriate. It would also possibly fulfill a role in providing information about the business, itself; an understanding for which I've found to be lacking sometimes in other members and which I, myself, have some curiosity with.

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