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Originally posted by LightsOut ^^^ I agree. I just wonder how much of it really comes down to greed... Surely their is good money to be made booking respected artits who genuinely are trying new things and to advance the electronic scene... Granted, it might not be for the "kids", who are more concerend with Guetta, Deadmau5, and Skillrex(sp?), than they ever will be for Hawtin, Mills, & Klock.... but... shouldn't it always be about the music? Isn't that why we all got into this is in the first place? Is it nieve to think that its wrong to actively NOT book people like this? Especially if a venue is supposed to be the world class establishment they like to claim to be? When I think of the best clubs, I think of Berghain, DC-10, Fabric, Robert-Johnson, Rex Club.........all seem to do pretty well financially. These places don't book commercial mainstream artists. They book forwarding thinking artists who are actively putting out music that seeks to forward the electronic movement as a whole. Artists like Toronto's very own James Teej or Art Department. Who, coincidently enough, have yet to headline at the top club in their own city. Seems a bit odd, no?

its a pointless argument.. i've been saying the same for years, guv will never change it's tactics because financially it is working for them and that's all that matters.

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Originally posted by slingshot I remember carl destroying the main room for the 9 year but I definitely don't remember lee burridge and timo mass being on the bill in the kool haus...that party today would present quite the dilemma for me.

not 100% on this but i think these were 2 different events. The Timo/Burridge party might've been the year before.

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def the same night.....i still have the flyer for it somewhere lol

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Originally posted by GGM Buncha senior citizens ITT. Remember when you were young and you used to think about those people that started everyone sentence with "remember when...? and think G damn they're old. Well now that's you. But ya totally agreed those lineups sound way better than current day. Problem is: -Clubs are a business -Businesses want money -Youth go out and spend more money -Youth likes cheese Thus, clubs book more cheese because they want the money that youth spend. Let me use this month with examples. Digweed 2 weekends ago was an awesome night, legendary DJ, great mixing, great tunes, perfect dance floor space and primo vibe. But you know what? A&B the weekend before was half of all the things listed above but PACKED full of people buying drinks. Guarantee you guv made 30-40% if not more. So shit in their shoes I'd be booking more A&B cheese and less legendary Diggers...

I do tend to agree with you but I don't think this comparison works for Labor of Love. There would be minimal difference in ticket sales if you removed a couple cheese acts and put in something a little more underground or different.

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Originally posted by LightsOut ^^^ I agree. I just wonder how much of it really comes down to greed... Surely their is good money to be made booking respected artits who genuinely are trying new things and to advance the electronic scene... Granted, it might not be for the "kids", who are more concerend with Guetta, Deadmau5, and Skillrex(sp?), than they ever will be for Hawtin, Mills, & Klock.... but... shouldn't it always be about the music? Isn't that why we all got into this is in the first place? Is it nieve to think that its wrong to actively NOT book people like this? Especially if a venue is supposed to be the world class establishment they like to claim to be? When I think of the best clubs, I think of Berghain, DC-10, Fabric, Robert-Johnson, Rex Club.........all seem to do pretty well financially. These places don't book commercial mainstream artists. They book forwarding thinking artists who are actively putting out music that seeks to forward the electronic movement as a whole. Artists like Toronto's very own James Teej or Art Department. Who, coincidently enough, have yet to headline at the top club in their own city. Seems a bit odd, no?

I totally agree with everything above and I wish it were possible. And for the clubs you mention hands down they book way better stuff than guv in terms of quality, but the essential problem is this:

Capacities of these clubs (keeping in mind most serve much larger populations than we have as well):
Berghain - 1500
DC-10 - 1500
Fabric - 1800
Robert-Johnson - 250
Rex Club - 600

Guv all access capacity? 10,000... You need the cheese to fill that up.

Something closer to the clubs you mention (without the legendary status of course due to age) would be Footwork, and in my opinion they do book some great forward thinking, underground, top quality guys. Look towards MTL with Stereo (give it 10 more years of solid success and it could very well be on the list of the above clubs) and Circus who also have much smaller capacities and book much better artists. I think it just comes down to capacity and to fill up the guv complex you need that "omg lets fill 10 billion stadiums for the biggest showz of our livers tiesto tiesto tiesto" cheese.

Best case scenario would be for all access events they mix cheese with some legends (hard to balance booking fees though) and for regular nights take one of the smaller rooms and toss someone reputable in there as a headliner backed by locals (a la FW). Would be amazing if they did this, but still speaking in business form there's not much financial benefit to gain if any in doing this versus current. Unfortunately yes the majority of it comes down to greed.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH not 100% on this but i think these were 2 different events. The Timo/Burridge party might've been the year before.

yes. loco, richie, carl in the main room...

timo, burridge, corsten in the kool haus

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH not 100% on this but i think these were 2 different events. The Timo/Burridge party might've been the year before.

yes it was the same night and ferry corsten was in the kool haus also. still have the t shirt from the event

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Originally posted by GGM Buncha senior citizens ITT. Remember when you were young and you used to think about those people that started everyone sentence with "remember when...? and think G damn they're old. Well now that's you.

Well damn, I didnt realize that talking about parties that were 4, 6, etc years ago would make us old geezers LOL! Usually you hear that kinda statement when you talk about an entirely different generation, like if we were bringing up a party from the 1980's. LOL

I mean, imagine if you went to some of these aforementioned parties when you were 18, 19, 20 like some of us did, and now you are getting called old at the geriatric ages of 24, 25, 28, etc? lolol

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"Remember when _____? Man those were the days. Currently everything else sucks and doesn't compare to _____ back then."

Not denying those bookings weren't better though, cause they were. It's just a matter of what could fill a club back then versus now and that's what people are missing.

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Originally posted by GGM It's not about the age, it's about the attitude. "Remember when _____? Man those were the days. Currently everything else sucks and doesn't compare to _____ back then." Not denying those bookings weren't better though, cause they were. It's just a matter of what could fill a club back then versus now and that's what people are missing.

nah, I feel you man, I think the term "senior citizen" threw me off. I was contemplating going online to buy some wrinkle cream, as I was thinking that my time had come!

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Originally posted by GGM Robert-Johnson - 250

RJ can hold a bit more than 250. I'd say about 400. Great club though!