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Originally posted by Beatflux Just like any other artform, its extremely difficult to truly express yourself. Everyone starts out emulating someone else, its just a fact of life.Most people won't make it to the point of perfect expression.

Yeah, but you see it a lot more in art forms that don't really require a lot of effort or money to get started, which music production fits well enough into. There's not really a stereotype of most painters imitating Bob Ross, I imagine sculptors don't try to imitate.. uh, whoever the basshunter of sculpting is.

I just think there's too much information out there on how to sound like your favorite artists. People don't even approach music production as a creative skill, it's all technical and there's a "right" and "wrong" way to do everything to them, and the only ones who are doing it "right" are the artists they like.

I'm not saying everyone is like that but I think a large part of the stagnation of modern trance has to do with most artists getting into it purely to emulate instead of innovate. People get so caught up with how their mixes sound that the actual songwriting becomes secondary, hence the cliches found in uplifting trance. Using a certain melody somewhere becomes as much of a cookie-cutter process as using compression or anything else.

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Originally posted by Kysora There's not really a stereotype of most painters imitating Bob Ross, I imagine sculptors don't try to imitate.. uh, whoever the basshunter of sculpting is.

Jeff Koons?

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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah, but you see it a lot more in art forms that don't really require a lot of effort or money to get started, which music production fits well enough into. There's not really a stereotype of most painters imitating Bob Ross, I imagine sculptors don't try to imitate.. uh, whoever the basshunter of sculpting is. I just think there's too much information out there on how to sound like your favorite artists. People don't even approach music production as a creative skill, it's all technical and there's a "right" and "wrong" way to do everything to them, and the only ones who are doing it "right" are the artists they like. I'm not saying everyone is like that but I think a large part of the stagnation of modern trance has to do with most artists getting into it purely to emulate instead of innovate. People get so caught up with how their mixes sound that the actual songwriting becomes secondary, hence the cliches found in uplifting trance. Using a certain melody somewhere becomes as much of a cookie-cutter process as using compression or anything else.

The whole commercial culture revolves around selling you more equipment and more plug-ins. Hence, there's more articles and videos made for improving the technical aspects of music creation. Forum talk is also lined with an undercurrent of a relativistic attitude towards the creative process and a juxtaposing objective view towards mixing and mastering. Neither view is really correct, but that's what the forum goers will conscious or unconsciously pick up on and practice in their music making.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by turpentine yeah that's what i figured, strange as hellhouse is a pretty big label too so you'd think they would be on top of that

not really a big a label in the grand scheme of things.

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true, but in the sense that yoji is a fairly respectable artist so i assume there must have been loophole or something that allowed them to release it. i read on fabios soundcloud that corsten tried to get the rights some years back and was denied by nintendo so that why i was curious

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Originally posted by Beatflux The whole commercial culture revolves around selling you more equipment and more plug-ins. Hence, there's more articles and videos made for improving the technical aspects of music creation. Forum talk is also lined with an undercurrent of a relativistic attitude towards the creative process and a juxtaposing objective view towards mixing and mastering. Neither view is really correct, but that's what the forum goers will conscious or unconsciously pick up on and practice in their music making.

Agreed completely, though I can't really tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

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Originally posted by turpentine true, but in the sense that yoji is a fairly respectable artist so i assume there must have been loophole or something that allowed them to release it. i read on fabios soundcloud that corsten tried to get the rights some years back and was denied by nintendo so that why i was curious

corsten is on another playing level. Fabio is an underground artist that could remix a lady gaga track and interscope wouldn't lift a finger.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney corsten is on another playing level. Fabio is an underground artist that could remix a lady gaga track and interscope wouldn't lift a finger.

oh, i meant corsten tried to clear the samples so he could release fabio's track. im still curious though, i can only assume it's because he re-produced the sounds and didn't sample them directly, though im pretty sure there's still some interpolation rights clearance involved in "reproducing" melodies. not sure exactly. then again as you mentioned maybe he's just small enough that nobody cares

Melodies fall under copyright, if I remember correctly. So it wouldn't matter if you made the actual sounds yourself.

SID chip synths are around and I doubt Tchaikovsky is gonna sue. Even if you used the original from the game, you could just say it was a remake. Major labels do this. If you can get away with it and show that you have the paperwork to show you did a soundalike, then you are fine.

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Originally posted by Kysora Agreed completely, though I can't really tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

Mostly agree. I think if you want to be successful you have to have some chops for songwriting.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Well...

I'm brazilian, I know Fabio Stein personally, I did visit his studio in São Paulo.
He is a very humble guy, he used to share his production techniques and skills with patience and attention. He gave feedback for lots of producers here in Brazil (Danilo Ercole for example, yet they have different production styles).
Fabio is a rare person in this $cene.

In my opinion, judge his technical skills by one track only (Techtris, one of his first ones when he used to produce with Buzz tracker yet) is totally unfair, because I dont think you would do the same with artists you like.

He is very talented, versatile, and creative, but ok, its matter of opinion.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Fabio+Stein
He is not a wannabe or newbie in the scene... He could produce an Arty/Cosmic Gate/Dinka/Mark Knight or whatever famous guy style track in beatport if he wants, but it was-not-his-style... Think a little and you can understand this...

In the end, he was bored with the scene and quit, c'mon guys, what is the problem with this? Just respect him and try understand him, lots of producers do that (ie. vincent de moor, andy blueman).

I read his farewell message and I can understand him, so I wish him good luck.


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And Laurent...

I accompany your work, blog/trance.nu/tranceaddict posts since 2002 when I knew trance music, obviously you are one of my classic producers that I admire.
But like you said, you (and Yves Deruyter) used to do like Fabio Stein, the difference is: he complained once and quit, he is moving on. You complained million of times and you didnt quit, YET.
I'm your fan too but when you quit for some reason, maybe you will understand Fabio Stein and others that leave the scene.
I wish you last longer before this...

And dont understand me wrong, please... But quoting "Fabio who?" because you have literally hundreds and hundreds of releases was not cool, imo... You used to be very humble and helpful.

Good luck and peace,

Anthony.

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