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Originally posted by skyhunter Almost always.... meh... not really in my opinion. Especially to people who first start out.

To be fair I can't really claim to be an expert as I'm only just starting out, but from what I've been told, it's certainly more about what you can do until you become better, which is when better equipment can help.

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Originally posted by fleec To be fair I can't really claim to be an expert as I'm only just starting out, but from what I've been told, it's certainly more about what you can do until you become better, which is when better equipment can help.

Yea certianly an actual kick drum sample is better than grandma hitting the wall with a flyswatter, it's just I found it easier to start using Synth1 until I was comfortable with it.

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Originally posted by skyhunter Yea certianly an actual kick drum sample is better than grandma hitting the wall with a flyswatter,

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Originally posted by fleec More expensive equipment will almost always equal better quality

I think there's a point of diminishing returns. Think about a guy like Deadmau5 who has a shit load of outboard crap to dink around with: is he making any better music with synths that costs up into the thousands?

I don't think so.

More costly gear, or even just more gear can be a detriment to your music and it can persuade you that the missing element in your music is the lack of gear.

Constantly buying new gear can also put you into a mindset of constantly trying a new glaze on the same old piece of meat.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I think there's a point of diminishing returns. Think about a guy like Deadmau5 who has a shit load of outboard crap to dink around with: is he making any better music with synths that costs up into the thousands? I don't think so. More costly gear, or even just more gear can be a detriment to your music and it can persuade you that the missing element in your music is the lack of gear. Constantly buying new gear can also put you into a mindset of constantly trying a new glaze on the same old piece of meat.

This is true to an extent, but think about this:

A lot of software that we use is analogue emulation (i.e. software pretending to be some legendary hardware synth). Now if money was no object, I'd prefer to play a real voyager and record it over the arturia version (although they sound incredibly similar).

There's nothing that Joel has that can't be recreated with software, but to some people it's more fun, let's them be more creative (having the tactile thing etc), and in some cases will sound *marginally" better. So if you've got the funds, like Joel or Daft Punk do, and are hardware enthusiasts, then there is at least a decent personal reason, and a small technical reason for having them.

What you're saying is right though - the kit doesn't make the music and it can be a dangerous trap, but that comes down to personal choices and talent, and you just have to be aware of that depending on which route you want to go down.

at least he invests in his craft. I would love to see how SHM's money gets spent. Joel has money and spends it on music. How can you fault that. At least he is putting back into the machine that made him his money. Same with alot of the top guys that everyone likes to hate. Skrillex just had a studio designed for him. You know how many rockstars spent all their money on drugs women and cars ?

To me, that shows an earnest love for music. I think he should spend a little more on food or a little less on meth but that is his business. Kidding about the meth. I mean he is just so damn thin.

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Originally posted by CalvP Welcome - used to live in Nottingham for a short time +1 can you imagine showing a producer in the 60's Reason on a laptop? the tools on offer today are mind blowing & let's be honest how many of us would be here if it wasn't for the fact writing music is now so accessible?

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This is why I'm not too put off by software prices - and as you say, many of us wouldn't be able to pursue our hobbies and write music if it wasn't so accessible.

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Originally posted by skyhunter Yea certianly an actual kick drum sample is better than grandma hitting the wall with a flyswatter,

lol It's a very interesting debate really, although I'm starting to think now that there's definitely a kind of balance much like the one Beatflux suggested - that there's a point where the quality you gain versus the money you spend means it just isn't worth it.