well

http://www.beatport.com/ Chill Out/Ambient same thing in this case

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ Downtempo->Ambient

Clearly it's classified as EDM but you need to be tripping to dance to this

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Originally posted by Fledz You should not give a shit about what others think and produce music you like, whatever way you like. If others like it, awesome. If they don't, oh well. You had fun and you can always keep trying. Oh wait, am I doing it wrong?

Let me rephrase it for you:

When it comes to music, quality is an entirely subjective measure. As such, music cannot be qualitatively evaluated because the benchmarks enabling such criticism are predicated on people's taste in music. Claude Debussy is widely regarded as a genius. The Chinese Government's perspective on Debussy, however, is that his music provokes too much imagination and not enough clear thinking. Who is right? The point is that you should not be concerned if people think your music doesn't hold a candle to Debussy when 1.3 billion people will still appreciate it, precisely because it can't.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos A lot of people would classify Ambient as EDM and i find hard to dance to this so the definition is obsolete.

Well, then "a lot of people" are dumb. If no one intends people to dance to it, then it is not "dance."

Ishkur's thing is called "Electronic Music Guide" for a reason, not "Dance Music Guide" or "EDM Guide." He is talking about all electronic music, not just the kinds that people dance to.

This post makes me sad. So much effort put into something so completely and utterly unhelpfull and cynical.
TA used to be a very helpfull community - it would apear that it's going the way of so many other forums, turning into snide elitism. Topic 86 indeed.

You know Eddie, I bet if you put half the effort that you exerted into writing this tripe, into something usefull - meh - sif you care anyway

We could use a laugh every now and again in here thanks Eddie!

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Originally posted by ralpheeee TA used to be a very helpfull community - it would apear that it's going the way of so many other forums, turning into snide elitism.

I think a bigger problem with this forum is the trolling and all the newb questions getting asked over and over and over and over... A few years ago, there were better discussions because the regulars were far more knowledgeable and we could have more in-depth dialogue about production, gear, etc. These days, TA is over-run by newbs who refuse to use the search/google, and trying to have a real discussion about anything inevitably results in people just posting OT crap, links to irrelevant websites/blogs, etc. There are only a handful of people around here who can offer an answer based on personal experience and knowledge - most of the older users have moved on to bigger things (e.g., families, careers). This place started to really go into the shitter after trance.newb closed up shop. Coincidence?

A think another problem here is that we're running out of things to talk about. I actually started a thread a while ago concerning this very topic and it got deleted by the mod, but I still think that it's a very real issue. It's not like EDM is a new world anymore and the rate of change/innovation has slowed down so much that I think we've (i.e., forum regulars) pretty much caught up with it and now the struggle for many of us is to keep it new and interesting.

Anyway, EZ is one of the better, more knowledgeable guys around, so he can be forgiven for being a little cynical (or humorous, depending on your POV) behavior once in a while IMO.

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Originally posted by ralpheeee This post makes me sad. So much effort put into something so completely and utterly unhelpfull and cynical. TA used to be a very helpfull community - it would apear that it's going the way of so many other forums, turning into snide elitism. Topic 86 indeed. You know Eddie, I bet if you put half the effort that you exerted into writing this tripe, into something usefull - meh - sif you care anyway

1) You're contradicting yourself by complaining about the content of my thread and then declaring that the forum is in a state of decline. It appears that you have little to offer, yourself, when your entire post is an over-reaching complaint that adds nothing to the overall conversation; qualitative or otherwise. While I've seen you post once in a while, it's hard for me to see that you've been much of a regular poster, lately. Is that because you see this place as negative or hostile? My earnest suggestion to you is that if you do not like the content you're reading, in my thread or this forum, start a thread that concerns the content that you'd prefer. I certainly haven't relegated myself to finding fault with the newb questions that pop up with stifling regularity nor does this thread just concern itself with those. I'd say I spent close to an hour or more, around noon, finding two old threads, one of which I bumped with what I thought were examples pertinent to the OP's topic. Conversely, I spent around ten to twenty minutes in my last reply to Fledz. By the time I'm done with this reply, however, I'll have probably spent half the time it took to write the OP.


2) The accusation of elitism holds no water. In fact, a few of my "helpful advices" parody notions that some people consider elite. It's safe to say that there were a few sacred cow's harmed in the making of this thread, and with the help of the edit feature, I'll add a couple of more as they occur. If you are attacking my currently unstated premise, I'd take a different issue with that in item #3.


3) The premise of this thread is that, at this point in history, there are a few basic concepts that people who want to produce music should be reasonably familiar with. In examining the list I put together from my Topic 86 project, one of the more prevalent features I found was that people were bringing in a lot of assumptions that were just flat-out wrong. The prevalence of these assumptions - such as mono PA's in clubs, it's okay to turn the master fader down/use a limiter to control volume, drugs should never/always be used, et al - floods this forum with inane bickering and pointless threads that detract from its ultimate purpose. Furthermore, it indicates that there are a lot of sources broadcasting this misinformation. I, personally, have read articles in publications such as Electronic Musician and Remix (among others) which have actually advised people to undertake things like authoring tutorials or becoming masters of social networking - and even lowering the master fader once clipping became an issue (among others) - to notice how bad information leads to a prevalence of bad practices.

The threads I am addressing have rarely led any one of their opening posters to become more informed on the topics they've raised. Most of the time, they do not go anywhere. When they haven't been started to troll, they lead to their OP's getting discouraged. If you want, I still have a MSWord file of opening posts with links to the threads that I can send to you, via private message, and you can see for yourself. A few (not more than three or four) have actually evolved into interesting discussion on some topics. Most of the 15+ pages I collected haven't. If they weren't started to troll, they degenerate into that.


4) This is not a meta-discussion about the forum and I'm definitely not going to let it turn into that. I am not trying to establish a list of topics which are verboten nor am I aiming to dictate group norms. That said, this is a peer community for which some amount of literacy is required for one to converse within it. This thread, utilizing rather widely aimed satire, is my attempt at addressing the fundamental illiteracy that occurs as a distraction, in this forum. Instead of being critical of the forum and raising the illiteracy as a point of contention with how the forum is run or how its populace comports itself, I'm dealing with it directly. I authored it on the same night I saw two threads concerning volume control on the front page. This thread is also not limited to the consistently recurring topics but to a whole host of subjects, from Beatport to obnoxious music industry marketing practices and its disgruntled drop-outs. It also alludes to quite a few glaring music and production mistakes I've heard in Music Producer's Promotion


5) A lot of this stuff has to do with information I was ignorant of and wish I'd known before I started posting here (volume control and self-mastering to name a couple). It is also clearly satirical. The fact of the matter is that this thread deals with topics everyone who is working in music production should know. It is definitely meant to blow off steam, but I'm hardly what I'd consider an "expert" when it comes to producing music and if you care to peruse my soundcloud profile, I'm pretty sure you can spot some obvious hypocrisy between what I preach, here, and what I have practiced, in the past.


6) Thanks for your support. http://soundcloud.com/eddiezilker

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Haha, great reply Eddie, bravo!

You're obviously a fairly smart guy, the fact that you banged out that sort of a reply in a fairly quick manner suggests this.

It just seems that this site has turned into more of a place to have flame wars, compare the size of your e-penis rather than share information.

The stickied threads at the top haven't seemed to have changed in years, it just seems like TA is kinda stagnant, and these sort of "satirical" articles are really only going to alienate the newbs, who in reality are the future of this website.

As you stated a lot of the old heads from this forum have moved on to bigger and better things, but if you don't support the newbs, who will be left?

And one more thing Eddie. This article could actualy be really bloody helpfull to a newb.

Because if you unwrap all the dripping sarcasm and satire, it's actualy a list of sound advice.

The scary thing, is that there may well be some people who take this article literaly.

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Originally posted by ralpheeee And one more thing Eddie. This article could actualy be really bloody helpfull to a newb. Because if you unwrap all the dripping sarcasm and satire, it's actualy a list of sound advice. The scary thing, is that there may well be some people who take this article literaly.

Thanks, man. Check your PM. You raise some interesting points that I don't want to discount but it does converge on Meta Discussion.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Pretty much.

For real, mix in mono. Huh.

The one on clipping all the tracks, I've heard the opposite from mixing / mastering freaks on the web; never clip, not even one sample for "clean" sound. I'll try the clipping method though, it does sound good, with mastering too actually. Had a track or two, just master the track 5x times, you can make it sound really good

Some of those tips, I haven't tried yet. Thanks a bunch for sharing

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Originally posted by EddieZilker 1) You're contradicting yourself by complaining about the content of my thread and then declaring that the forum is in a state of decline. It appears that you have little to offer, yourself, when your entire post is an over-reaching complaint that adds nothing to the overall conversation; qualitative or otherwise. While I've seen you post once in a while, it's hard for me to see that you've been much of a regular poster, lately. Is that because you see this place as negative or hostile? My earnest suggestion to you is that if you do not like the content you're reading, in my thread or this forum, start a thread that concerns the content that you'd prefer. I certainly haven't relegated myself to finding fault with the newb questions that pop up with stifling regularity nor does this thread just concern itself with those. I'd say I spent close to an hour or more, around noon, finding two old threads, one of which I bumped with what I thought were examples pertinent to the OP's topic. Conversely, I spent around ten to twenty minutes in my last reply to Fledz. By the time I'm done with this reply, however, I'll have probably spent half the time it took to write the OP. 2) The accusation of elitism holds no water. In fact, a few of my "helpful advices" parody notions that some people consider elite. It's safe to say that there were a few sacred cow's harmed in the making of this thread, and with the help of the edit feature, I'll add a couple of more as they occur. If you are attacking my currently unstated premise, I'd take a different issue with that in item #3. 3) The premise of this thread is that, at this point in history, there are a few basic concepts that people who want to produce music should be reasonably familiar with. In examining the list I put together from my Topic 86 project, one of the more prevalent features I found was that people were bringing in a lot of assumptions that were just flat-out wrong. The prevalence of these assumptions - such as mono PA's in clubs, it's okay to turn the master fader down/use a limiter to control volume, drugs should never/always be used, et al - floods this forum with inane bickering and pointless threads that detract from its ultimate purpose. Furthermore, it indicates that there are a lot of sources broadcasting this misinformation. I, personally, have read articles in publications such as Electronic Musician and Remix (among others) which have actually advised people to undertake things like authoring tutorials or becoming masters of social networking - and even lowering the master fader once clipping became an issue (among others) - to notice how bad information leads to a prevalence of bad practices. The threads I am addressing have rarely led any one of their opening posters to become more informed on the topics they've raised. Most of the time, they do not go anywhere. When they haven't been started to troll, they lead to their OP's getting discouraged. If you want, I still have a MSWord file of opening posts with links to the threads that I can send to you, via private message, and you can see for yourself. A few (not more than three or four) have actually evolved into interesting discussion on some topics. Most of the 15+ pages I collected haven't. If they weren't started to troll, they degenerate into that. 4) This is not a meta-discussion about the forum and I'm definitely not going to let it turn into that. I am not trying to establish a list of topics which are verboten nor am I aiming to dictate group norms. That said, this is a peer community for which some amount of literacy is required for one to converse within it. This thread, utilizing rather widely aimed satire, is my attempt at addressing the fundamental illiteracy that occurs as a distraction, in this forum. Instead of being critical of the forum and raising the illiteracy as a point of contention with how the forum is run or how its populace comports itself, I'm dealing with it directly. I authored it on the same night I saw two threads concerning volume control on the front page. This thread is also not limited to the consistently recurring topics but to a whole host of subjects, from Beatport to obnoxious music industry marketing practices and its disgruntled drop-outs. It also alludes to quite a few glaring music and production mistakes I've heard in Music Producer's Promotion 5) A lot of this stuff has to do with information I was ignorant of and wish I'd known before I started posting here (volume control and self-mastering to name a couple). It is also clearly satirical. The fact of the matter is that this thread deals with topics everyone who is working in music production should know. It is definitely meant to blow off steam, but I'm hardly what I'd consider an "expert" when it comes to producing music and if you care to peruse my soundcloud profile, I'm pretty sure you can spot some obvious hypocrisy between what I preach, here, and what I have practiced, in the past. 6) Thanks for your support. http://soundcloud.com/eddiezilker

sorry to tell you this man, but you just dont have it, the effort is there, maybe even some quality, but the talent, the creativity, the unique sound, the special transitions...

you just dont have it mate.

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