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Originally posted by Busy Child there is NO skill in spinning cds. . . .well, it does take skill, but its really easy to learn.

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I disagree with you here. The digital music is more precise on CD's. What I mean by this is that a bass beat is much bigger on vinyl (fater?). On a CD the digital bass beat is smaller and more precise. When beat matching on cd's it is harder than vinyl because your match has to be more precise. As it is very very noticiable if you are even slightly out. With the big fat beats of vinyl you can sometimes be slightly out but not really noticieable.

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Originally posted by Busy Child I like spinning on records because i like to be able to see where I am at in the song. When the cd display says, 4:58 left, that means shit to me. If youre spinning a song that youre unfamiliar with, its useless.

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Totally agree with you here though. When oh when will they make cheap CDJ's with wave displays of the whole track.

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Yeah, I never said anythign about spinning with CD's isn't the same or as good as doing it with records. That's why I tried to bring it back on topic about spinning music you didn't pay for. Hell, f you could buy music in mp3 format, then spin that shit. You've at least, helped put money in the artists' pocket.

So spin what you want, hell spin off mp3 players if you want, jsut dont' try to get away with stealing music, just because you "won't get caught". By that logic, If someone kills your sister and doesn't get caught, you just rationalised that he didn't do anything wrong. lol, nice logic!

RE: the amount of music available on the different mediums. I must disagree with what was posted above, that you can get a wider variety of music on CD, either purchased or burned. Not the case. In fact, far from it.

There's a ton of great music out there that never gets ripped by release groups. I mean a *ton*. Close to half the records I have at home aren't ripped, and if they are, they've never been put on the file sharing networks.

By either choosing CDs or vinyl, you're limiting your music. If you choose vinyl, there's a ton of music out there, everything really, but you'll have to pay for it. Vinyl is expensive. And you may have to wait to get those up-front promos. Though that's less of an issue these days. If you choose CDs, your variety will be reduced, but all the popular stuff will get ripped and released, sometimes before you could get your hands on the promo vinyl. Of course you're going to have to live with yourself DJing with pirated music...

There's something aesthetically very pleasing about playing a vinyl record. Something organic about it that CDs can't match. You've chosen wisely I think.

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i know if i rip music of 1 artist and i like more then just 2 songs i go out and buy it its like being able too test the music before i go out and get it i rather do that then buy a cd normally 15 bucks then find out theres only that 1 song i like

I couldn't really get it...
How can you rip the music from somewhere if you don't have the cd or Vinly ???

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(button jockeys) hehehehehe

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Originally posted by SeventhSun Cant believe theres so many BJ's out there!! (button jockeys) hehehehehe

hehe.

Off the topic though, say you're able to get pre-released music from a source and youre a CDJ. Is this possible? Do they burn un-released tunes on cd? Sorry if i come across ignorant sounding.

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Just thought i'd add my opinion. I have cd decks. I've never touched a pair of TT's, so I don't know anything about them, however i do have a friend who uses TT's and he told me he thought it was easier starting out on CD decks than it was on TT's. But I wouldn't know. I found it hard at first on my CD's, for the first 6 months or so, but I reckon I'm mastering it now, and my mixing is ok. I don't think ti requires any less skill or anything like that, and it's not easy IMO.

About the mp3 thing. At the moment, I don't have much money, so I can't afford to buy many cd singles. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying i don't buy any music, I do. But at the moment, the only people I spin to are myself, and occasionally my friends, I've done a couple of house parties. I've never been payed for anything, and don't intend to in the near future. But if I ever was in a situation were I was recieving money for DJing, I'd pay for my music. At the moment I don't see any point, especially as i don't have the money too, so the majority of my collection is on mp3.

For the whole are you a real DJ thing, eventually, I'd like to think that i will progress to vinyl decks. Cd decks were an option, because I didn't think i was ready for vinyl, and I didn't want to be stuck with a limited collection of music while i was starting out.

If your looking to make money, I'd suggest viyl decks. Like someone said, if you can get over one person calling you not a real Dj, you'll be fine, but I have trouble with that, it's quite a knock back. Also about CD promo services, I don't think there very good, i'm constantly looking for new releases on cd and stuff but don't be able to find much, there are some, but the music tends to be varied. If you had ripping equipment, whereby you could rip the vinyl you had bought to cd (althought this'd b even more costly!) then you could have your new releases on cd a.s.a.p

My conclusion is - my experience with CD decks has been fine. But if you're looking to make money relatively quickly go for vinyl.

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To Chris Norris. I started off exactly the same as you. But after about a year and a half or bedroom dj'ing and when my DJ'ing started to get more serious I needed more and more music (Trance). Anyway there just wasn't enough good Trance music available on CD. I went into a record store heard alot of vinyl only trance music and just went wow, big big wow. The next day I bought a turntable and loads of vinyl.


It's good to spin both gives one alot of options. I love going to buy vinyl and finding a track I like thats also available on cd which I can buy for a quarter of the price. It's just great. I also love finding a great track on vinyl that won't be released on CD's.

Anyway as long as your enjoying yourself on the medium you have and you have enough music to keep you spinning. Good stuff

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Originally posted by chris_norris Just thought i'd add my opinion. I have cd decks. I've never touched a pair of TT's, so I don't know anything about them, however i do have a friend who uses TT's and he told me he thought it was easier starting out on CD decks than it was on TT's. But I wouldn't know. I found it hard at first on my CD's, for the first 6 months or so, but I reckon I'm mastering it now, and my mixing is ok. I don't think ti requires any less skill or anything like that, and it's not easy IMO. About the mp3 thing. At the moment, I don't have much money, so I can't afford to buy many cd singles. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying i don't buy any music, I do. But at the moment, the only people I spin to are myself, and occasionally my friends, I've done a couple of house parties. I've never been payed for anything, and don't intend to in the near future. But if I ever was in a situation were I was recieving money for DJing, I'd pay for my music. At the moment I don't see any point, especially as i don't have the money too, so the majority of my collection is on mp3. For the whole are you a real DJ thing, eventually, I'd like to think that i will progress to vinyl decks. Cd decks were an option, because I didn't think i was ready for vinyl, and I didn't want to be stuck with a limited collection of music while i was starting out. If your looking to make money, I'd suggest viyl decks. Like someone said, if you can get over one person calling you not a real Dj, you'll be fine, but I have trouble with that, it's quite a knock back. Also about CD promo services, I don't think there very good, i'm constantly looking for new releases on cd and stuff but don't be able to find much, there are some, but the music tends to be varied. If you had ripping equipment, whereby you could rip the vinyl you had bought to cd (althought this'd b even more costly!) then you could have your new releases on cd a.s.a.p My conclusion is - my experience with CD decks has been fine. But if you're looking to make money relatively quickly go for vinyl.

Finally, an honest post from a CDJ user.

honestly, i started off with mixing (to myself) with loops with acid and atomix, doing cheezy remixes and such. Sitting at your computer with a collection of drum loops, bass lines, acapellas, and a handful of effects such as flange/delay is addictive.
Since Atomix is a computer program, i cant say i learned how to mix with it, but i did learned all about phrases and when to drop a song in and stuff like that. That was a really smart move on my part because it cost me nothing, except buying samples and loops, and it also allowed me to purchase tables with confidence. I just feel really bad for those who went and bought tables without knowing what theyre getting into and ended up selling it on EBAY after a coupla months.
Dropping $$ on tables/mixer/headphones/cartridges/vinyls is seriously NO JOKE.
Id say buying CDJ's before turntables is a wise move and when you are ready to buy tables, youd be decked out with tables AND CDJs which would definately make DJing more fun.
But im against DJing with only CDJs/mp3's and thats my opinion.

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Just buy two technics, you'll learn on the best get used to them since if u ever spin live most likely thats what youll use

besides they dont depreciate alot at all