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Originally posted by TranceAllstar nice pics, thanks for the info astro

ya cool posts, thanks

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Originally posted by astroboy Most physicists these days suggest that the universe had a beginning (big bang), and may come to an end (big crunch). This isn't a wacko theory, it is probably the most popular theory mong astrophysicists today, and is based on empirical data. Also the universe is not infinite, it has a border, but it is expanding at the speed of light (various people argue about the speed of the expansion, some people say its speeding up, others say its slowing down and will eventually come to a stop and start contracting). Some suggest that this is a continuous process, but we simply do not know enough to tell for sure. This isn't creationist propaganda (personally I belive in an intelligent force behind creation - but I believe this is something that is not in the realm of science yet). I don't think any major religions hold the answer as to our "purpose" (if there is such a thing). And my beliefs are not strong enough for me to reject any theoretically or empirically sound scientific hypotheses. PS - I agree with you about creationists - If ignorance is bliss, they must be REALLY happy.

A few questions:
If the universe is expanding at the speed of light and its "expansion speed" is constantly slowing down to stop, wouldn't light be able to hit it's "border" at some point?

If the universe's expansion speed is ALWAYS slowing down, there WILL be a point at which light will be able to hit its "border". Also, what happens when it hits this border?

If the universe's expansion speed is always slowing down, how long will its speed be stopped before going in reverse? Will this be the halfway point of the universe's "life"? Also does anyone think that when it DOES begin to go in reverse and condense (am I using the right word here?), if our Earth, as we know it still exists, will its life, as well as whatever other planets that have life similar to ours, become very depressed because everyone now knows that there WILL, not "MIGHT", be an end to it ALL? Or will it be the opposite?

NOW, if it DOES end and the universe reaches a "Big Crunch", what can happen AFTERWARDS?


THAT will get you thinking...

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Originally posted by ali92 A few questions: If the universe is expanding at the speed of light and its "expansion speed" is constantly slowing down to stop, wouldn't light be able to hit it's "border" at some point? If the universe's expansion speed is ALWAYS slowing down, there WILL be a point at which light will be able to hit its "border". Also, what happens when it hits this border? If the universe's expansion speed is always slowing down, how long will its speed be stopped before going in reverse? Will this be the halfway point of the universe's "life"? Also does anyone think that when it DOES begin to go in reverse and condense (am I using the right word here?), if our Earth, as we know it still exists, will its life, as well as whatever other planets that have life similar to ours, become very depressed because everyone now knows that there WILL, not "MIGHT", be an end to it ALL? Or will it be the opposite? NOW, if it DOES end and the universe reaches a "Big Crunch", what can happen AFTERWARDS? THAT will get you thinking...

from what i was told the whole speed of expansion of the universe can be thought of like throwing a ball up in the air... when you throw it up eventually gravity takes its toll, slows it down and pulls it back towards you. but if you're superman and can throw it fast enough to break the gravitional pull then it will keep on speeding out towards space and beyond. same thing with the universe... the center of mass is, well, at the center of the universe and if the light particles are accelrating faster then the gravitational pull then they will expand forever, otherwise the particals will all start speeding back towards the center - the big crunch - and then i belive will happen a big explosion, call it big bang #2 and the cycle will start all over agian, or maybe itll just be the end

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Originally posted by Izzy the big crunch - and then i belive will happen a big explosion, call it big bang #2 and the cycle will start all over agian, or maybe itll just be the end

yeh, i heard that theory before as well... that means, there might have been a universe before this universe etc. etc. etc. but hey.... we'lll all be dead when the big crunch and everything happens so, not to worry

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Originally posted by Illusion Sorry dude, I'm not picking on you but I don't like the word "created". The universe wasn't "created". the universe is infinate and it's always been. You're probobly just using the term loosly but still if you say that it was "created", then you suggest the existance of a supreme being. Which is of course bullshit! This whole hubble telescope thing is a powerfull weapon in the hands of those less than maggot creationists who are trying to inject the poison of religion into science. So this whole age of the universe being determined is all just another arrogant attempt by the religious scum to suggest that the universe had a begining and there for will have an end. Well I got news for all those maggots! The universe Wasn't created. It has always been. Again sorry for the outburst. Just a little sensitive about the issue.

i didn't know you thought so highly of me.
your statement that the universe has always been is a little off base. as others on this board have attested, some (not all) scientists agree with the big bang theory which would put the universe at a beginning and also at an eventual end. although the big bang theory itself lacks the supposed evidences that some people on this board espouse. and even with the big bang theory lacking proper evidence for its' validation, we know that the universe is not infinite with einstein's general theory of relativity proving that time is a physical property, and hence, a created property. time being created therefore has a beginning as well. seeing as time and the universe are finite, then one would have to ask what is outside of the universe and outside of time that was there to create it? and for this the only logical answer is God (the question wasn't that stupid, izzy). i do agree with you that religion has poisoned science but the poison flows from the religions of naturalism, humanism, and materialism. and before you throw ad hominem arguments at me (attacking me instead of my position), please present your evidence for your position. let's keep this discussion lively but civil. and while we're at it, someone earlier had made reference to the first law of thermodynamics which states that matter is neither created or destroyed. how then does the big bang theory fit which states that nothing somehow compressed itself into a ball until this nothingness exploded into the beautiful universe that astroboy has posted pictures of? does that make sense? can nothing compress itself? is that observable, testable, repeatable? is it science? and consider the second law of thermodynamics that states that things go from more ordered to less ordered. how did these random exploding particles organize themselves into those celestial beauties against this law?

what is the meaning and purpose of life? to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. this is the first and greatest commandment. and the second is like it: 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Matt 22:37-39

the universe has a definite beginning and it will have a definite end. what will happen to you when it does? what will happen to you when you die before the universe ends? critically consider it.

much love and God bless to all of you.

lost

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http://www.spacetelescope.org/goodies/wallpaper.html

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Originally posted by Lost i didn't know you thought so highly of me. your statement that the universe has always been is a little off base. as others on this board have attested, some (not all) scientists agree with the big bang theory which would put the universe at a beginning and also at an eventual end. although the big bang theory itself lacks the supposed evidences that some people on this board espouse. and even with the big bang theory lacking proper evidence for its' validation, we know that the universe is not infinite with einstein's general theory of relativity proving that time is a physical property, and hence, a created property. time being created therefore has a beginning as well.

Physical means physical, no more no less. It does not mean "created". Furthermore "created" does not mean something has a beginning in the theological sense... the eternal present is a common term.
Main evidence for the big bang theory has been the background radiation left over from the explosion, as well as measurements of the speed of expansion.

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seeing as time and the universe are finite, then one would have to ask what is outside of the universe and outside of time that was there to create it? and for this the only logical answer is God (the question wasn't that stupid, izzy).

Why is God the only logical answer for what lies outside the universe... explain your logic, elaborate why God is the only logical answer. Why is God more logical than "nothingness" or "a form of hyperspace that exists outside space-time and which our science is currently not equipped to explain"

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i do agree with you that religion has poisoned science but the poison flows from the religions of naturalism, humanism, and materialism. and before you throw ad hominem arguments at me (attacking me instead of my position), please present your evidence for your position.

Yes but perhaps religion most infamously and most effectively.

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let's keep this discussion lively but civil. and while we're at it, someone earlier had made reference to the first law of thermodynamics which states that matter is neither created or destroyed. how then does the big bang theory fit which states that nothing somehow compressed itself into a ball until this nothingness exploded into the beautiful universe that astroboy has posted pictures of? does that make sense? can nothing compress itself? is that observable, testable, repeatable? is it science? and consider the second law of thermodynamics that states that things go from more ordered to less ordered. how did these random exploding particles organize themselves into those celestial beauties against this law?

Newtonian physics has its limits and they stop well short of the kind of ground relativity and quantum physics. IN fact we destroyed matter several times, perhaps most infamously at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It wasn't necessarily nothingness... no one knows what there was before the Universe. There simply was a compression then an explosion... no one has proposed a theory

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what is the meaning and purpose of life? to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. this is the first and greatest commandment. and the second is like it: 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Matt 22:37-39

So God made us for that purpose. So we could love him... sounds a bit insecure to me. "hmmm feelin a bit down, why not make a race of creatures to tell me they love me and I'm special"... this is the "greater intelligence" behind creation? Sorry I don't buy it.

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the universe has a definite beginning and it will have a definite end. what will happen to you when it does? what will happen to you when you die before the universe ends? critically consider it. much love and God bless to all of you. lost

Again these are not scientific considerations.

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