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Originally posted by Mikman IMHO... Who to blame for a bad education system doesn't matter. Kids need to learn from an early age that knowledge will be the basis of their future as well as the world. Though you don't have to take my word for it.

Agreed! But try and convince kids in school, that those who poses that desire to learn, will be the ones who succeed in life.

Certainly wasn't something I was thinking about in highschool.

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anyone in an asian family knows what i'm talking about.... the good 'ol feather duster, =P

I sure know that one! Not to mention the wooden sticks that were turned into toothpicks...I think that the school system would work a lot better if all children were actually taught good study habits early on...that should be the basis for all kids to succeed in school.

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Originally posted by Durafei The way I was raised was as follows: - if I worked/studied well I got rewards(be it a toy, candy some cash) from my parents - if I didn't, I got nothing.. IMXO that's how education system should work. Students must learn from very younge age that education brings rewards. This will motivate them to study. For instance in high school I always participated in math olympiads and stuff like that. At first I didn't do well. I was very pissed off. That motivated me to study. And here I am studying at one of the best universities in Canada. Motivation is the key thing. And kids in Canada now don't have motivation. Why should they study if they can come home play Quake and forget about all problems?

So true too, But along with rewards and motivation there has to be also a punishment for bad behaviour. Everything has to be balanced out.
When I was a child if I did good in school I'd get my allowance raised, if I did bad I'd get some taken out of it. I believe everything balanced is good.

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Well I'm glad TranceKitten and Fats know what I'm talking about. I agree with what both of you have said as well. Parents do have to start teaching their children from the day they bring them into this world. We're in the information age. Everything you want to know or would like to do is right at your finger tips. It's too bad that amongst all this information there's an equal amount of garbage. Now it's up to us as indivituals to filter out the bad from the good and teach the next generation the same. A little discipline would be a good place to start. That wooden stick use to send me running when I was a kid...

Interesting topic Fats. I think that it goes beyond simply re-instituting corporal punishment on children. It boils down to the entire fabric of society. Having a society where people respect each other. I mean, I doubt many of us where ever really given a proper whack that were dished out by teachers and parents several generations ago, but we were able to have discipline and many of us succeed. I reckon this was out of respect for our authorities be it teachers, parents, etc.. It's all about mutual respect between child and adult. SO many kids have no respect for for authority, just as many parents have no understanding of the true needs of their children re: adequate discipline, giving them love and attention, and simply spending time with them.

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Originally posted by Durafei The way I was raised was as follows: - if I worked/studied well I got rewards(be it a toy, candy some cash) from my parents - if I didn't, I got nothing..

that's the kind of postive reinforcement garbage i'm talking about, hahaha... i mean, its good if it works right? every family has their own way, and i'm glad your parents didn't resort to beatings. but i'm just saying that most of the time, kids need a good beating... why should kids be rewarded for things they SHOULD do?? (ie. cleaning room, doing dishes, studying hard) back in the day if did all that stuff, i got nothing, if i didn't i got a good beating, =P... don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying all kids should be beaten, and any parents who don't do it are wrong... i just think that society has become too soft when it comes to discipline.

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I don't blame parents for not using physical punnishment though. Parents are scared witless of childrens services showing up on their door step with a court order. If you so much as look cross eyed at a minor now you can face charges. And all it takes for CS to become involved and take custody is an accusation.

When I worked for the Law Society we constantly heard of cases where the parents had to make appeals and motions to get their children back from childrens aid after the parents were cleared of any wrong doing. It's sickening. Parents have lost the freedom to be parents. They have to worry about how every decision will look to an outside observer.

Christ, when I was in grade school (what 15+ years ago) the school though my father was beating me. They called in child services, the police, school board officials and my father. They were ready to arrest him then and there untill they found out I didn't live with my father and hardly ever saw him!

Either people are too interested in others lives, or not interested at all. There doesn't seem to be a nice safe middle ground...

Cheers,
Fats

well...one thing is for sure, thanks to this thread; I'm not having kids. I have a low tolerance for stupidity

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH well...one thing is for sure, thanks to this thread; I'm not having kids. I have a low tolerance for stupidity

LOL..Well I'm sure that whoever you marry will balance that out for you. Or your other option is to raise kids somewhere else. :P

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Originally posted by skaborough fats I don't blame parents for not using physical punnishment though. Parents are scared witless of childrens services showing up on their door step with a court order. If you so much as look cross eyed at a minor now you can face charges. And all it takes for CS to become involved and take custody is an accusation. When I worked for the Law Society we constantly heard of cases where the parents had to make appeals and motions to get their children back from childrens aid after the parents were cleared of any wrong doing. It's sickening. Parents have lost the freedom to be parents. They have to worry about how every decision will look to an outside observer. Christ, when I was in grade school (what 15+ years ago) the school though my father was beating me. They called in child services, the police, school board officials and my father. They were ready to arrest him then and there untill they found out I didn't live with my father and hardly ever saw him! Either people are too interested in others lives, or not interested at all. There doesn't seem to be a nice safe middle ground... Cheers, Fats

I totally agree..I believe that parents have lost their freedom to raise their kids properly. I understand the fact that some parents might take it too far but come on! a kid needs a good beating once in a while.

I know this lady at work once who told me her kid threatened her with calling child protection services for leaving him outside for the rest of the night because he had skipped school, came home drunk as hell at 2:00 a.m. for the Fifth time!! Who knows what else he was doing--And he was only 12 or 13!!!

Now kids are too damn smart and they don't think twice with threatening their parents if they so try to discipline them a bit.
There is a great need for discipline! I see not many people within the guvernment see this or are doing anything to fix this problem.

Lates.

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