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Originally posted by sothis i see nothing wrong with having a clump of cells removed from my body, just like i would remove a tumor. thats why i dont like statements like these i guess this depends on your view of life. a tumor has cells and thus is alive, so is that wrong to remove it from my body? how about a parasite? its alive, should i not remove it? clump of cells. thats all it is.

this comparison is absurd. tumors or parasites jeopardize the life a person, a child does not. besides, this is a clump of human cells we are talking about. you don't just take away a life like that. agreed, the foetus is just in the very beginning of his growth, but you can't just kill it because one 'assumes' his life is going to be like hell. in my opinion, abortion = murder. there are plenty of other solutions...

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Originally posted by tor8024 this comparison is absurd. tumors or parasites jeopardize the life a person, a child does not. besides, this is a clump of human cells we are talking about. you don't just take away a life like that. agreed, the foetus is just in the very beginning of his growth, but you can't just kill it because one 'assumes' his life is going to be like hell. in my opinion, abortion = murder. there are plenty of other solutions...

Most tumors are benign, and they usually do NOT jeopardize the life of a person. Most parasites, likewise, have a vested interest in keeping the person alive, since the death of the host usually leads to the death of the parasite. In both cases, you are not having them removed because they jeopardize your life, but because they cause a plethora of other undesirable symptoms, which, incidentally, is exactly what pregnancy does.

The prompt termination of all unwanted pregnancies is the most rational, efficient, and utilitarian mechanism we possess for dealing with these unfortunate circumstances. No valid argument can be constructed against abortion without invoking the issue of morality, and since no objective criteria exist to evaluate the morality or lack thereof of abortion, such an invocation is inherently devoid of truth value. Thus, we ought to rely on arguments involving things we can measure, which are overwhelmingly in favor of abortion as a solution.

As a result, we can conclude that the optimal resolution mechanism for this quandary is the termination of the offending pregnancy.

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you don't just take away a life like that

again, this is based on what you think is life, vs what i do. i dont consider a clump of cells in my uterus to be life, im sorry, you wont change my opinion of that.

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but you can't just kill it because one 'assumes' his life is going to be like hell

actually, i would be having someone remove the clump of cells from my body because i dont want the pregnancy, not because i think its life would be hell. why should i be concerned about something which, according to my "beliefs", is not "alive" in the sense that you are talking about?

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there are plenty of other solutions...

"plenty" equals two whole solutions, right?

-keep the spawn
-give it up for adoption

now, lets say that i get pregnant, and i dont want to deal with a kid in my life. if i give it up for adoption, like i already mentioned, not only will i have to deal with it later in life, but it will probably be a lot more traumatic for the said child.

you say it isnt a risk to your body, but it can be. id discuss that a little but arbiter summed it up nicely.

i dont know, i apologize if, because my morality level isnt the same as yours, that i feel i shouldnt have to put myself through three months straight of puking non stop, contractions which feel 10 thousand times worse than a period (which i might add, feels like knives stabbing into your abdomen for at least a day, some girls, it lasts longer), severe back problems, purple stretch marks which most people will have permanently all over their stomach, and many other choice things, just for the sake of a clump of cells that i could easily have removed when i first find out im pregnant. its just not a logical trade in my book.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Sorry abortion is just plain wrong in my view....only worth it, if the mother's life is in danger but doctor friend tells me that happens like 1 in a million. Carry the child to full term and you can always give it up for adoption if you cannot support it and there are many couples out there that would care for a child. Tell you idiotic friend to be a man and face the situation because in today's society, far too many men run off and don't support the girl (financial, emotional, physical) and that is just plain wrong. Your friend must stand up and be accountable for his actions and tell him that he must live with his actions. Carry the child to full term then decide what to do with it.

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