You do realize that cheating on your partner/girlfriend/boyfriend is different from cheating on your spouse, right? Even the law considers it a mitigating factor in domestic arbitration. You made a solemn oath to one other person, witnessed by other people. There is nothing grey at all about that. You broke a fairly profound promise.

I'll not at all deny that this sort of thing means more to me now that I am married, but I still remain to be convinced that I am a pussy merely because I am capable of parsing who is deserving of trust. Maybe I am just getting older. Or perhaps your perception of me has merely changed because you have.

Let's go to a famous example: were you a hiring manager somewhere, and Abercrombie walked through your door, can you honestly say that it has no bearing on your decision to let him in your company?

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow While I'm not here to defend the institute of higher cheating, I could put together quite a long list of highly regarded men who have cheated then put Hal corner with his own logic. But seeing it's Friday and not in the mood to listen to overly verbose backpedaling, I'll let him off the hook.

Yeah, Einstein was a notorious shithead, for one. But he outlined his relationship with his wife. It is not the act of infidelity I have issue with. Some people have open relationships, or have some sort of understanding. This man in particular held a press conference to confess his cheating, which says that he must have felt he did her wrong. I didn't need to know the specifics to glean that he knew he broke his oath, and that everyone would soon know, because there was going to be a hell of a lot more to it than merely that.

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Back to my original point the OP is either a moron or a troll or some combination of the two. While there is a compelling argument to be made about the prudish shortcomings of the USA, no one with half of brain would use Ron Washington as example to make that case.

It's pretty clear he stated he was wrong but I don't really see how that has bearing on the topic. It's common knowledge that the time demands and travel required of those type of positions put all but the strongest relationships in trouble. Sounds like things came to a head where he had to choose between his job or his family.

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow When he got married

It always takes the spark out of a man.

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Originally posted by Vector A It always takes the spark out of a man.

Speak for yourself.

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Je blague.

T'as intérêt.

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Originally posted by Vector A It always takes the spark out of a man.

and also this...

George Constanza as you know him ceases to exist. You see, right now I have Relationship George. But there is also Independent George. That's the George you know, the George you grew up with... Movie George, Coffee Shop George, Liar George, Bawdy George." "I love that George." "Me too, and he's dying. If Relationship George walks through this door, he will kill Independent George. A George divided against itself cannot stand!"

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You do realize that cheating on your partner/girlfriend/boyfriend is different from cheating on your spouse, right? Even the law considers it a mitigating factor in domestic arbitration. You made a solemn oath to one other person, witnessed by other people. There is nothing grey at all about that. You broke a fairly profound promise.

Marriages fall apart just like relationships do. Some people get married after 6 months, and get divorced again after another 6. Others live together for 20 years without tying that knot. For all the frilly vows, marriage is not some universal moral constant. Not all couples attach the same values you do to marriage, and people are frankly fucking stupid and will do ostensibly profound things on whims and without proper reflection and foresight. Once again, when you made that post you had no idea about the attitudes of the people involved in the marriage you were commenting on. And I don't see how highlighting the legal conflation aids your point at all. If anything you're merely pointing out a good reason why people who don't attach much value to this solemn oath might take it anyway.

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Let's go to a famous example: were you a hiring manager somewhere, and Abercrombie walked through your door, can you honestly say that it has no bearing on your decision to let him in your company?

Irrelevant, because the full details of what he did are widely available, and it's pretty easy to see he was a complete lowlife. I'm not objecting to the calling out of obvious scumbags. I'm objecting to your assumption and your generalisation.

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You're right, J.

I, Hal, would like to personally apologize to all the cheating scumbags whose feelings I hurt by saying they're not worthy of trust. They are! I mean, just not with important things.

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