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Originally posted by kosmotika Raves with DJs on a front stage were nothing new here, they'd always been a thing in major dance events...Mayday, Nature One, Dance Valley, etc the DJ was always up front on a big stage with bright flashing lights.

And those were always the most commercialised and watered down events. There's nothing more "genuine" about those commercial mega raves than modern EDM shows and festivals.

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Originally posted by kosmotika It's up close when you can really tell; for example during the video of Ferry Corsten, when it goes close to the crowd you'll see folks absolutely losing their shit. Steve Aoki's video, you've got people more or less standing with their hands in the air or doing a little bounce in place....it just wasn't an extremely common thing for the DJs to stand posing like Jesus with smug grins while doing heart hands and dragging all the attention to themselves yet.

Yup.

Not to say that there aren't many similarities in these big rave events, but in the Ferry Corsten bit you can see people generally lost in the music and in their own world, just enjoying themselves, "raving." Their attention is certainly not directed at the DJ, nor is the latter trying to bring any attention to himself.

People used to bring glow sticks to raves, now they bring big posters of "Fuck me, Axwell!" and their country flags. There's definitely a different vibe.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Yup. Not to say that there aren't many similarities in these big rave events, but in the Ferry Corsten bit you can see people generally lost in the music and in their own world, just enjoying themselves, "raving." Their attention is certainly not directed at the DJ, nor is the latter trying to bring any attention to himself. People used to bring glow sticks to raves, now they bring big posters of "Fuck me, Axwell!" and their country flags. There's definitely a different vibe.

Oh, when was the last time you attended a mainstream festival?

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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer Oh, when was the last time you attended a mainstream festival?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Not to say that there aren't many similarities in these big rave events

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) Yes but it was cheese back then as well. Just because it was released 20 years ago doesn't make it less so. Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed my share of that stuff over the years but the introduction of singing vocals into trance(not just the use of movie samples and such) have always been with the intent of getting a much broader appeal such as chart success, breaking into mainstream etc

I agree with the breaking into mainstream part, but on the other hand did KLF, Dance2Trance, The Mackenzie and Jam&Spoon use vocals from the beginning before they made trance.
At the time those tracks even didn't sound commercial to me for a second.

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Originally posted by kosmotika Well, sure you have a point...I guess I separate commercial and cheese. Kate Ryan's "Scream For More" is a track I enjoy, it's a genuine attempt to be a good vocal trance tune and in my opinion is fairly enjoyable...then I listen to something like Dee Dee or Milk Inc with all those corny lyrics and such and it just reeks of blatant consumerism (though these acts did generate a fair amount of good remixes!)

It's perfectly okay to enjoy cheese. It's not okay to call cheese something else just because you like it.

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Originally posted by Redd It's perfectly okay to enjoy cheese. It's not okay to call cheese something else just because you like it.

This.

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"Underground" cheese.

I hate coming across as pretentious with music taste because for the most part music taste is a result of what you grew up with. It can change, but I don't think it can change dramatically. Your taste expands and you appreciate new styles instead of hating the older ones.
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Now, back on topic: I'm not a fan of big room. For me, dance music should have interesting production. It would be nice for it to be melodic, but it's not required at all. Big room was cool...5 years ago. Now it's overdone and played out. There's no build-up to the songs and they're very predictable. The songs have a range of 5 notes. It focuses way too much on a drop that sounds very similar to the next one you'll hear. I've said in the past that there is no such thing as bad music because taste is subjective, but songs can be considered bad if the producer is more focused on things outside of the music. A lot of pop songs that people consider bad have good/great production IMO. If I listen to big room, I don't mind it; there's just a lot better.

I don't think about being pretentious at all. I personally think if we just get honest with ourselves and see things quite clearly, you can't just turn a blind eye to the current EDM scene and say that our cheese of the past (or your past), is the same as the cheese now.

You know what rock music listeners say? I've never seen a fucking Led Zeppelin fan who grew up in the 60s say that music back in his day was cheesy as it is today in My Chemical Romance.

Current EDM is cheesy and if you think 1999 was cheesy, then today is cheesy by FAR.

I mean sure today we have Gangnam Style and Harlem Shake because of the electro house movement, but seriously back in our day we had "I like to move it move it" or the Macarena.

When I meet the average EDM listener in America most of them aren't even musically inspired. They all got into EDM because they discovered laptop DJing and because here in the states hip hop is becoming obsolete and milked as shit so they needed a new trend for other sheep to follow. The average American here is just in it for the popularity.

Did you fucking know that in 2007-2008 I was a high school 16-17 year old trying to introduce rave concerts or EDM to people and they hella judged me and said I was bad for introducing them to drug culture? I gave a guy an E pill at my own house party and he was so square and stuck up he thought it was cool to act above it all and throw the pill on the floor and walk out of my house with a disrespectful attitude.

Now 4 years later I see the same asshole going to raves or EDM concerts cuz all of a sudden all the cool kids are doing it and he isn't cool anymore if he throws someone else's good E on the floor. Especially when raves are so massive than ever before, he wants to just fit in with everybody.

Like I said most people are just in it for the popularity not for the true, darker and underground part of electronica.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I don't think about being pretentious at all.

You're one of the most pretentious people on this forum. You are ridiculously self-congratulatory about how much better you are than all your peers for the music you listen to. Go into any specialist dance music record shop and start telling them about how dark and psychedelic the Tiesto remix of Flesh is and you'll get laughed out of the building. You and Kosmotika are kids playing at being music snobs. It's fucking embarrassing.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I don't think about being pretentious at all. I personally think if we just get honest with ourselves and see things quite clearly, you can't just turn a blind eye to the current EDM scene and say that our cheese of the past (or your past), is the same as the cheese now. You know what rock music listeners say? I've never seen a fucking Led Zeppelin fan who grew up in the 60s say that music back in his day was cheesy as it is today in My Chemical Romance. Current EDM is cheesy and if you think 1999 was cheesy, then today is cheesy by FAR. I mean sure today we have Gangnam Style and Harlem Shake because of the electro house movement, but seriously back in our day we had "I like to move it move it" or the Macarena. When I meet the average EDM listener in America most of them aren't even musically inspired. They all got into EDM because they discovered laptop DJing and because here in the states hip hop is becoming obsolete and milked as shit so they needed a new trend for other sheep to follow. The average American here is just in it for the popularity. Did you fucking know that in 2007-2008 I was a high school 16-17 year old trying to introduce rave concerts or EDM to people and they hella judged me and said I was bad for introducing them to drug culture? I gave a guy an E pill at my own house party and he was so square and stuck up he thought it was cool to act above it all and throw the pill on the floor and walk out of my house with a disrespectful attitude. Now 4 years later I see the same asshole going to raves or EDM concerts cuz all of a sudden all the cool kids are doing it and he isn't cool anymore if he throws someone else's good E on the floor. Especially when raves are so massive than ever before, he wants to just fit in with everybody. Like I said most people are just in it for the popularity not for the true, darker and underground part of electronica.

I was talking more about the people who legitimately love the big room genre because they exist, not douchebags who love to fit in. I´m really sorry about those people though; that's so ignorant. Did you tell them that there are plenty of drug free dance musio lovers? (A bit off-topic but I'm an alcoholic and I think dance music has actually helped me stay clean)