That might be but there are cases of well known artists who stopped (being able to) practicing their profession as soon as they went on medication. I believe the inventor/drawer of Guust Flater/Gaston Lagaffe (Love that stuff) is one of them.

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Originally posted by Raphie There are plenty of people being gifted without having issues this is a very fatalistic perspective.

Its just a thought anyhow in the future there def will be.

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Originally posted by Storyteller That might be but there are cases of well known artists who stopped (being able to) practicing their profession as soon as they went on medication. I believe the inventor/drawer of Guust Flater/Gaston Lagaffe (Love that stuff) is one of them.

This kinda similar to the being on drugs you make better music and so on or on meds you make bad music. Imo it all depends on the individual.

Another typical ADHD thing: you might take things literally more often than a usual person. I have a lot of trouble finding the message hidden in the context of books or on this forum . For that reason I often had low grades for book reports. I sometimes respond too serious on here because I miss the joke or the fact that is wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Edit: Looks like the idiocy was removed.

Yeah I read that this morning but didn't have time to respond, glad its removed.

I agree with a lot of what alpha has been saying, he's hit the nail on the head with a few of the points he has made. I'm not going into detail but someone very close to me has mental health issues and even after 10 years have still not received a proper diagnosis. It can be hell for everyone concerned, its not something I would wish on anyone.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Please don't take it personally, it was never really personal; it was just a way for me get a little bit of humor out of my otherwise emotionally dull life

I know I'm guilty of this myself. I've been a right bellend at times but hopefully nobody takes any of it too seriously or indeed personal. Hope you get the right help you need.

A few thaughts

I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony.

The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now.

Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope.

Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system.

Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust.

You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine.

So I would say
Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions.

Exercise
Meditate
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Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything

And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA

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I fully agree. You put it more mildly but below is as it is.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney A few thaughts I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony. The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now. Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope. Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system. Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust. You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine. So I would say Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions. Exercise Meditate Eat right Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA

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Originally posted by DJ RANN ADHD is a real thing and difficult to deal with so I'm sorry it took so long to make progress Beatflux. I don't know if it make a adiffernce to you but I never thought you ever came off as a dick or being mean to people. I don't think his comments fit this particular case, but Palm (robotrance) does actually tap in to something. Living in LA, I know a lot of wannabe "artists" and "actors" etc, who do little fucking more than obsess about how fucking sensitive and deep they are - some of it really is what he's getting at in terms of extroverted sensitive; apparently uber sensitive but has to make sure everyone knows about it. Again not the case here but I know what Palm is getting at. Also, there is a little bit of a strain of people spending waaaaaaay too much of their lives thinking about what is wrong with them, or what could be their problem. Go visit some really poor countries or better still, ask your grandparents generation about mental illness. They just don't have time for it, and never did. Even look at the PTSD rates among soldiers now and compare it to 80 years ago. Both my grandfathers fought in WW2, saw truly horrific things, most their friends died (often in front of them) yet it somehow didn't fuck them up for the rest of their lives or even define them. Now you have soldiers who do one tour and come back and after a couple of years are non-functioning human vegetables. Sure there's other factors like the drugs they made them take etc but without sounding callous, some if it comes down to giving these disorders room and oxygen to thrive. Same can be said for some people in society, and often they are white people problems if you know what I mean. Again, none of this detracts from depression and true mental illness, but not everyone who struggles in life is mentally ill or has a disorder. That's where the shit the fuck up, buck up and deal with it comes from, and in certain scenarios, I get it.

I appreciate the replay. If you met me in real life, I don't show very much emotion, and crying is one of the last things I want to do in public. But yeah, I get what your saying.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney A few thaughts I won't discount the insight gained maintaining a perspective that might include your relative privilege but relativism is a concept that undermines itself by essentially saying someone always has it worse so any suffering no matter how bad is nothing compared to the depressing life of a paraplegic worker ant that has been made a slave by a neighbouring red ant colony. The suicide rates alone are tangible numbers that all is not well. Relativism is also flawed in that the situation isn't the same and you are applying the same rules for different situations. Life is not the same now as it was and to assume these issues are mere over indulgences rather than a real effect which is arguably comorbide with how things and society are now. Understating what it is you might have is helpful in many ways and it would be counter productive to not introspect and understand why things are different for you. It allows you to frame it as the issue rather than you as a person. It allows you to find ways to help you cope. Wasn't going to chime in because this threat felt like a no response needed but given it is page 4 , fuck it. I will tell you from experience and research and over a decade of seing more professionals than I would lik to admit, medication ain't going to work for you. The only weapon they have are amphemines or snri which all cause anxiety which ironically compounds the issue which research is leading to a broken dopamine system. Medication also won't work in the long run. All the research assumes a 6 month use. No study by the companies extends say a decade. They are all habit forming. Anything you introduce including touted non habit forming depressions drugs , which were first developed for anxiety but didn't catch on later beng marketed for depression , will cause your body to adjust. You don't want to be on a pharmaceutical speedball that will eventually yield no benefits but demonstrate severe withdrawal without them. Quitting heroin is a cakewalk compared to say a high dosage of clonazapam or similar long acting benzodiazepine. So I would say Accept you are different and try not to use the term Ill. Your condition is merely non adaptive for normal society. There is a cult of feeling sick or broken that serves no benefit . Humanity would still be in the dark ages if not for people with many of these conditions. Exercise Meditate Eat right Learn e Macarena and apply it to everything And your cancer comment was rather dickish but I know that wasn't your attempt. I didn't tell most people because that is the last thing you want to be seen as except for maybe Halloween were the living dead belong. Being a dick is how you react to your condition and not part of it. Understandable and I can attest to why people are dicks having mastered the art decades ago but they are separate issues. Your Condituon won't ever go away. Learning how to not always be a dick because despite people being assholes that need to be fucked ....... Cue TA

Maybe they weren't properly titrated. From horror stories I've heard, person gets perscribed some Ritalin, takes it, gets super fucking wierd, then eventually gets off of it. It should have little to no side effects at the correct dosing: 2-3 mg either way. This is all parroting from what my doc has told me. Perhaps the people you know were using it to try and power through a long and hectic day.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Maybe they weren't properly titrated. From horror stories I've heard, person gets perscribed some Ritalin, takes it, gets super fucking wierd, then eventually gets off of it. It should have little to no side effects at the correct dosing: 2-3 mg either way. This is all parroting from what my doc has told me. Perhaps the people you know were using it to try and power through a long and hectic day.

The act of getting the medication right can be a really delicate balancing act. I've read really contradicting stories of people using the exact same meds - for one it made everything worse and for another it was a life saver.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Maybe they weren't properly titrated. From horror stories I've heard, person gets perscribed some Ritalin, takes it, gets super fucking wierd, then eventually gets off of it. It should have little to no side effects at the correct dosing: 2-3 mg either way. This is all parroting from what my doc has told me. Perhaps the people you know were using it to try and power through a long and hectic day.

The only medication for ADD are amphetamines and their derivatives. They increase anxiety. That is just chemical. You mentioned an existing anxiety issue. That means you are going to be taking something to counteract the uppers which is why I mentioned "speedball" which is what you will be on.

The medications with the best response go from the most effective desoxyn which you won't get to the furthest derivative which is Ritalin. Similar to opiates, the ones with the more side effects tend to be the derivatives like bitch percocets.

Your body will require more of everything over time. Go try adderal. If you get anxious just stop because the rest won't work any better. You aren't going to find a silver bullet. The anxiety is a little different but since you want to treat the attention first, things will be complicated. And if you have an addictive personality which I'm gonna assume you might as it is rather common go people with attention issues, the. You are playing Russian roulettte. These medication creep up, you don't get high well you can but taken as issued for the intended benefit, you will develop tolerance. Doctors will stop increasing the dosage because they don't want to be liable and when you reach that point, it's all downhill.

I was on adderal and clonazapam from the start of my first year at university till basically I had to be clean of anything while I was treated for the other thing. About 10 years?

I knew it was a bandaid solution but I cared more about the current work than long term health.

Towards the end, I was taking 90 mg adderal, 4 mg clonazapam daily and it stopped having any benefit, I took it so I wuodnt crash because I couldn't afford to take a year to get off the medication because I had to work.

This is just one example among thousands that pretty much all say the same thing. Drugs are a temporary solution so you can learn to cope. Especially if you have both.

Google benzo withdrawal and adderal withdrawal. Nobody stays on this medication. It might work in the USA were doctors will prescribe everything but most doctors will stop upping the dosage even if you are not getting high from it and just need more for the same effect. And although pretty benign on the liver, it still makes it work harder. And say at 40, either your doctor stops increasing the dosage or your liver craps out.

And the feeling of knowing you need a drug to function will also take a toll on your well beng.

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