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Originally posted by cryophonik Yup, learning to navigate anything more than 25 keys requires the same motor skills as operating a motor vehicle. And, since driver's education can take years for a guy like you, there's no telling how much longer learning to count past 25 might take you.

you're an american, that means you drive an automatic like everyone else in that country.

in this country, automatics are for disabled people.

Last edited by rubez on May-26-2015 at 09:31

rubez' resume':

- can operate manual transmission
- can't operate 25-key MIDI controller
- thinks Americans are disabled

That logic should get you far in life.

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it's CV, and i don't think american's are disabled. just stupid and lazy

this post is all about how i could operate a 25-key keyboard in a very short space of time, despite having zero prior knowledge and music theory... quite how you got the opposite of that i don't know? that'll be the famous 'murican stupidity on display.

AT cars have their own special licence over here - you are restricted to driving only crappy automatics. only full driving licence holders are allowed to drive real cars.

if you can't drive a MT, you are on par with someone who drives dodgems, or golf buggies... or those obesity vehicles american's use instead of walking

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Originally posted by rubez just stupid and lazy

Looked in the mirror lately? This is the idea I get after reading pretty much all of your posts and it has nothing to do with which side of the Atlantic you are on...

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Originally posted by rubez it's CV, and i don't think american's are disabled. just stupid and lazy this post is all about how i could operate a 25-key keyboard in a very short space of time, despite having zero prior knowledge and music theory... quite how you got the opposite of that i don't know? that'll be the famous 'murican stupidity on display. AT cars have their own special licence over here - you are restricted to driving only crappy automatics. only full driving licence holders are allowed to drive real cars. if you can't drive a MT, you are on par with someone who drives dodgems, or golf buggies... or those obesity vehicles american's use instead of walking

What are you talking about?

There's one driver's license here whether you automatic or manual. If I go back to the UK with my California License, I can drive either manual or auto.

It's only the other way round here. If you only have a UK auto license, the you can only get insured for a Auto car in the USA.

Why are the majority of cars auto here? two reasons: first, most road trip are long, it's not like the Uk where you're never more than 72 miles from the sea. I can drive 6 hours and not even get close to leaving my cali. You drive for 6 hours from lands end, and you're somewhere in the north see lo.

90% of most commutes are done at the same speed, and big wide roads, not pre-roman higgledy piggledy little alleyways like back home. No need for manual. The rest of the time you're in bumper to bumper traffic and again, no need for manual.

I like my sports cars in Manual for thrashing in the Swiss Alps, and my city car an auto. Manual is also a dying breed. Electric and paddle shift are making them completely obsolete.

Why the fuck is this thread about cars now? What the hell is wrong with all of you?

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if you can drive for 6 hours straight, presumably in the same gear, why do you need automatic?! makes no sense.

and the uk has just as much traffic here (squashed prehistoric island) and we manage manual in stop-start traffic no bother.

manuals are used in most countries, they are not a dying breed - they are the vast majority of cars manufactured. and paddle shifts are manuals, you are revealing your ignorance there.

automatics give inferior performance, inferior control over the car and worse fuel economy. what decent performance car doesn't give you control over the gears?

american cars are well known for their abysmal handling, no wonder you all don't enjoy driving... just stick it in "drive" and autopilot to your destination

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Originally posted by cryophonik Trust me, he's already a prodigy in not making music.

I had to read that about six times to actually realise what you said.

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Originally posted by rubez

Oh dear god, where to begin. It's like you think two bullshits make a truth,

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Originally posted by rubez if you can drive for 6 hours straight, presumably in the same gear, why do you need automatic?! makes no sense.

Why would you need a manual? for those opening 10 minutes of the drive until you get on the freeway/motorway? Not making sense....

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Originally posted by rubez and the uk has just as much traffic here (squashed prehistoric island) and we manage manual in stop-start traffic no bother.

Dude, until you've been on the 405 or 5 freeway in rush hour traffic you've never even witness what traffic is. 7 lanes IN EACH DIRECTION, all bumper to bumper for 3 hours straight. An hour sitting in on a two way street on the outskirts of glasgow while the farmer moves his cows doesn't really register.

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Originally posted by rubez manuals are used in most countries, they are not a dying breed - they are the vast majority of cars manufactured. and paddle shifts are manuals, you are revealing your ignorance there.

Now here's where you really get it wrong: Less than 3.9% of cars made this year were manual and it's been decreasing every year for the last 30 years. Virtually dead is a better way to put it.

next, paddle gears use an automatic clutch and always have a built in automatic gearbox, so they are technically an automatic gearbox with a manual option.

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Originally posted by rubez automatics give inferior performance, inferior control over the car and worse fuel economy. what decent performance car doesn't give you control over the gears?

Oh boy, you're stuck in the 70's aren't you?. Fact: automatic transmissions have now overtaken manual in fuel economy as manufacturers use more gears on auto than manual. It doesn't make sense to have 6,7 or 9 speeds on a manual but you can do this for an auto meaning far more precise power matching. For instance, Ford now have the same if not better economy for all their auto models. Nissan the same, but even better than both with CVT transmissions. I could go on but you get the point.

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Originally posted by rubez american cars are well known for their abysmal handling, no wonder you all don't enjoy driving... just stick it in "drive" and autopilot to your destination

That's why I drive a mercedes

You should really do some research before posting. Even a simple google would have stopped you from posting nonsense:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...ick-shifts.html

Manual are great for the control aspect, and I love them on sports cars, but any other argument is just outdated fallacy.

RANN, you missed the *real* reason Americans drive automatics - we like to keep one hand on our gun at all times.

And, Scots prefer manuals because they're less likely to get stuck when they're driving through pastures looking for the purtiest sheep.

Stupid stereotypes ftw.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Now here's where you really get it wrong: Less than 3.9% of cars made this year were manual and it's been decreasing every year for the last 30 years. Virtually dead is a better way to put it.

Where did you read that bullshit? I'm sure you're not telling the whole story.
99% of the cars in Europe are manual (including Eurasia) and there isn't any tendency to change that. Whole Africa drives manual and the middle east as well. Most of Latin America drives manual. Not sure for Asia, but I think a part from Japan there is 50/50.

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