quote:

Originally posted by jploveparade I do. No problem. But on topic: the times of the Wild West are 150 years ago. Get civilised! You get a 100.000 Euro (max) fine when they catch you with a gun here. Pepperspray? 10.000 Euro. A good thing. Guns are for warfare, not for personal use.

10.000 Euro fine for carrying pepperspray and 100.000 for getting caught with a gun? Are you serious? Thats sick!

quote:

Originally posted by Blik you live in Amsterdam, when I would live in Amsterdam I would probably know too, I meant where I live. I live in a small town with 30.000 inhabitants, and in the neighbourhood of 3 rather big cities, and I really don't have a clue where I can buy a gun in my "neighbourhood"

so basically youre saying you live in someplace that is *nothing* like any bad part of America.

everyone here, by now, should realize that this ISNT an 'im right, youre wrong' thing. its cultural. ive said it before. no one in America is 'stupid' for having a gun if their life requires it. i certainly know some stupid Americans with guns because they *think* they need it, and its not the same thing. the same goes for you. we USers arent telling you youre stupid for NOT having a gun, cause we know you dont need it.

im not pro gun tho, remember that|

___________________
'That's like telling a Kodiak bear to stop fcking older men.'

quote:

Originally posted by biznology so basically youre saying you live in someplace that is *nothing* like any bad part of America. everyone here, by now, should realize that this ISNT an 'im right, youre wrong' thing. its cultural. ive said it before. no one in America is 'stupid' for having a gun if their life requires it. i certainly know some stupid Americans with guns because they *think* they need it, and its not the same thing. the same goes for you. we USers arent telling you youre stupid for NOT having a gun, cause we know you dont need it. im not pro gun tho, remember that|

Amsterdam also isn't a bad place, at least when you stay in the centre of Amsterdam. the places where I've been in America also weren't bad places, and still you see a gunshop on the corner of the street

So in America it's like, "wherever you live you can easily buy a gun", In Europe it's difficult to buy a gun, wherever you live (when you have 'connections' it's easier though, but most people don't them)

___________________
Alsof Het G*dverdomme Himmel Niks Kost!!!

10.000 euro is a maximum. 500 Euro is the normal fine for having teargas. But when you are caught a second time, you're in trouble.

Having a gun will cost you about 500o euro. But again, don't get caught a second time and the gun better be never used in criminal activities.

a lot of you europeans are sounding really hypocritical...
first my stance... i belive guns control should be greater increased (as in registration and such) here in the states but i still belive every man should have the right to own one.

ok heres why i see some of you not making much sense.
most people here i've see are for legalization of drugs. even though i do agree the should be, in my book i see drugs are illegal in order to save the lives of others... so that people who are high wont get into a car or do some other stupid act that would end up killing or hurting someone else. however you are for drugs cause you say every man has a right to do what ever he wants to his own body and that most people are responsible. how does this differ with guns? so by banning all guns you think it will solve the problem? has it worked that way with drugs? no the is strong power behing the "guns dont kill people, people kill people".

should we ban all alcohol just because a select irresponsible few drive home drunk and kill people? should we ban guns because a select irresponisble few use them to kill people?

I think that you under estimate the ability for someone to aquire a gun. I mean, drugs are illegal, but how hard is it to hook yourself up with some pot, crack, or even heroin? It's not. That's the problem. When there is a criminal demand for something like that, there will be supply.

see the hypocricy or do you think im blind?

___________________
If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

Guns kill OTHER people, drugs don't

quote:

Originally posted by jploveparade Guns kill OTHER people, drugs don't

wrong again. drugs *in general* dont kill or affect other people. but drugs can lead you to kill other people(thru inebriation), or can be used maliciously to kill others.

guns fit that exact description. just like many guns never kill a single person, most drugs do not. when someone chooses to, or in an accident its the exact same way for both!

guns are a way of life here, and its a way that Europeans dont understand because the US is completely different that Europe, and being here on 2 occasions cant enlighten you. like i said, im not for guns, i believe them to be dangerous, but its just how USers are - regardless of what the rest of the world thinks.

weve been the most successful nation in our short run(to this point) and guns have been a part of it, so im not sure why its so terrible|

___________________
'That's like telling a Kodiak bear to stop fcking older men.'

quote:

weve been the most successful nation in our short run

Succesfull in what? We are one of the smallest countries in the world but we're the 8th economy in the world.

Why? Instead of showing how bad ass we are with guns( like we did in the 17th century) we focused on our economy.

Dutch companies are one of the biggest investors in the world (Shell, Unilever, Ahold, Philips, ABN-Amro etc)

If we had gun laws like in the US in Europe, our continent wouldn't excist anymore.

The US attitude against Europe is way out of line. I used to support republican ideas, but the last 5 years it seems like American politicians are more stupid than ever.

Snipers, people killing kids at school, KKK who can say what they want, Police brutality.

What a place to live, America.

quote:

Originally posted by jploveparade The US attitude against Europe is way out of line. I used to support republican ideas, but the last 5 years it seems like American politicians are more stupid than ever.

Well, I can't disagree with your assessment of American politicians. But much of Europe seems to have forgotten the lesson we were supposed to have learned from World War II, namely that some problems cannot be solved without the use of force. And also, the self-righteous way that some (probably just a vocal minority) Europeans express their opinions while not contributing anything to maintaining international stability is irritating - and no doubt the source of the resentment many US citizens hold against Europe.

I won't attempt to justify all the foreign-policy decisions of the US government, because a lot of them don't make any sense to me either, but most European countries just appear to be the source of complaints - they either don't offer an alternative, or offer an alternative that can't be rationally justified. As much as I don't trust the politicians here in the US, at least they try to do what they think is right. Most European politicians just seem like they're to timid of being controversial to ever do the things that need to be done, so they just try to maintain the status-quo.

So true. But look at Eastern Europe. Did we use force to stop communism? The Hungarian, East-German, Rumanian and Czech people didn't need guns to start a revolution.

i thought they shot to death the romanian. over and over.
ciacescu or something.

gun control in america will not work because of the second amendment.
the wild west is over, but because of the the said amendment, which gives us the right to bear arms against oppressors - including the government of these united states - is a system of checks and balances against any government or powers that be, that try and limit, or infringe upon any of the rights of it's citizens. americans by and large are stupid because they don't understand how the government operates.

gun control in terms of a national or state gun registry can't be passed into law because gun owners have to give up their right to privacy. if worse comes to worse, and the citizens take up arms to throw george w out of washington, the government would have the upper hand because they will no who has the guns and take them out.

you want more government in terms of services and aids but at the same time you want less government looking over your shoulder, pay less taxes - you guys know that the top 1% pay less than the avg person, or nothing at all. how would you all react if in this global economy, they inserted chips in your computers to monitor for filesharing, pornography, scan your e-mail for suspected terrorism,...? but, being good law abiding citizens, we shouldn't have any worries about big brother looking over our shoulders. but what if said actions do occur, george w panics and sends snipers to shoot down all gun owners before an impending revolution. this isn't fair to all the gun owners who abide by the laws.

yes this country's messed up.
but that's how the government wants it. this way they get to be in charge with the masses confused, and killing each other. if we took a time out from killing and fighting other, and wise up to our government's actions, they'd be scared. the government gave us too many rights but for the most part are too dumb to use it.

$0.02