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Yea, and the 40% too! 10 32.26%
Not at all. 3 9.68%
Yea. but not 40% 18 58.06%
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Martin McG
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Glasgow

ill tell you this if they get their 40% then im chucking college and joining the brigade! thats like what £2500 a month! thatll do for me and im no joking! 4 years training innnit!


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ChrisT
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Newcastle

they shouldnt. if it is such a shite paid job why did they go in to the fire fighters business?


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Choon Spinner
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Warminster
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This issue continues to fucking piss me off.

Im currently going through the selection process of becoming a Firefighter, its all i have ever wanted to do, and i dont give a shit about the pay, its about job satisfcation in my opinion.

However, having been shown videos of stuff that Firefighters have to see and put up with, i would say they deserve a pay rise. They've said that they will except 20% as a benchmark, but 11% takes the piss when you think there will be inflation etc...it works out to be around a 4% pay rise.

Teachers dont deserve a pay rise, they get paid enough for the job they do. As for Police, they get paid enough too in my opinion, but of course, everybody wants more money. My Dad is a Policeman and he thinks the Fire Brigade are fully justified for their strike, and if the Government werent such wankers, they wouldnt have to go on strike in the First place. Of course, the NHS and such like needs more money pumped into it aswell.

The Firefighters i know, have all said they arent doing this just for themselves, they want to show other under-paid services, such as nurses and such like, that if they deserve more money, then they have to show the government. I dont think this country has realised how needy Firefighters are until this strike occured.
The reason the Wholetime Firefighters want a pay rise, is because they cant afford to live in the cities where they work, with house prices on the rise all the time, on the wage they're on. And they dont get free accomadation either! About the only thing they do get free, is their Uniform and equipment.
And if they cant afford to live in the cities (where all the Full Time Fire Stations are...) then they have to live elsewhere, which then means they have to travel to get to their stations which then in turn means they dont have alot of time on ther hands to do moonlighting jobs. And why should they spend their rest days working anyway? They've just spent 4 days saving peoples lives etc...surely they deserve 4 days off? The Pigs get rest days, so why shouldnt the Fire Service.

Its time for the Government to take their fingers out, stop wasting money on pointless wars which acheive nothing and only satisfy the hunger for war that President Bush has, Pull the troops out of Nothern Ireland and let the Irish kill each other if thats what they want, stop giving themselves pay rises which they dont fucking need, stop wasting the tax payers money on stuff like, as Neo said, two Jaguars and country houses and pointless wasteful trips to the US twice a week; Let the fucking yankee tosser come over here for an ass-reaming if thats what he wants.
Why do the MP's need more money? All they do is argue and indulge in homosexual acts or lie through their teeth and even go to prison! They're not the ones who pick up the remains of families off of the road after a large Road Accident, or the ones who risk their own lives to preserve others. Even in the event of a war the Government and Royal Family would all be tucked up cosy and warm in some underground nuclear bunker, while we get frazzled. Infact, the Ryal family do absolutely FUCK all for this country, apart from a few shitty speeches every year, and they have lots of money. Take it from them to give to the Firefighters and other public services.
Perhaps we should set fire to Blair and his Ugly Wife, see if they think the job of the public services is important then. TWATS!

The problem all boils down to the Government having their priorities wrong.

Put the UKTA in power, that will sort it all!! House of Commons and other Royal Palaces and Stately homes will all become a place of clubs, drugs, parties and trance music.

Apologies for the gabbling about bullshit, just this subject really gets me going. The day i meet Blair, he's gonna get a peice of my mind.

Josh.


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irishclubbing
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Northern Ireland

If the fire fighters get a rise then the rest of the public sector will be expecting a rise also!

The economy will collapse and we'll all starve!!

Give them 16% and it should do them or they should just go work for Tesco !


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Volksjoolz
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Registered: Mar 2001
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Yeah i agfree with you theb!

the fireservice are just as important as the teachers/ambulance/NHS/police so why should they expect to be paid much more??!

sory choon spinner but i disagree with you!..my mates a fireman and i've told him the same.

If the government agrees to such a pay increase then all the public sector will demand it as well..and who has to lump the bill for it??.....yes you guessed it..US!! (taxpayers!)

i also think the union leader- Gilchrist is a power hungey ****!..just look at the way he reckons he owns everything on the news! what a twat!

only my opnion though!


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Originally posted by Volksjoolz
i also think the union leader- Gilchrist is a power hungey ****!..just look at the way he reckons he owns everything on the news! what a twat!

only my opnion though!



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Choon Spinner
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Warminster

Lmao!

The firefighters are NOT asking to be paid more than any of the opther public services! As they have stated time and time again, they want to show those people who are underpaid that if they want more money, they should do something about it. The government dont respond to the word please.
The Police cant strike as they have no Union, but why not do what the Americans did and have a "Blue Flu" day, where the whole force went off sick for a couple of days.

And the fact that at the moment, Nurses, Police and Teachers are getting more than firefighters, states that they dont think they should be paid more. They're asking for FAIR pay. They want to be paid the same. At the moment, starting wages for a Firefighter is £18,000. My Dad is a bog standard Police Officer patrolling the streets and he's on £30,000. In many years of service, he has saved one life. The Firefighters save lives every day.
So shouldnt they at least get the same?? They're NOT asking to be paid much more!

I think people should get all the facts right before slating the Fire Service. What will it take for people to see how important a Firefighters job is? Their house catching Fire whilst they sleep?

Josh


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Volksjoolz
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: on a beach makin a W-shaped sandcastle!

As i said my mates a fireman and yes ok so he does save lives (theres no queston about that) but the majority of his time at work is either spent drinking coffee or reading or bloody sleeping!..

now how many other jobs can people get paid to sleep?!!! (this is his words not mine!)

yes like i said i agree that they need a pay rise..but you again forgot to mention about the ambulance service or the NHS in general. Teachers are now getting a fairer pay rate, but nurses still struggle on £15.000

£30,000 for sleeping 3/4's of the year seems bloody good to me!...i duno what other people think?!

If they had gone about it at a different angle, then the fire service could have got the pay rate they wanted. Instd they've got a got a power hungrey representitive who thinks he's Al Pacino and is trying to black mail the government!..

if could be arsed i'd join the fire service with the wages their on!..let alone the £30,000 theyr asking for!


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Choon Spinner
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Warminster

Hallo Again,

I have to agree with you 100% Volksjoolz, with regards to the way that Andy Gilchrist has handled it. Although, there are always two ways to the story, as the Government are being wankers also.
If they just said "ok, we'll give you £25,000" then it would be settled.

And if they went about sorting the Economy out and prioritising the ways they spend the countries money, im damn sure everyone could get a fairer wage. The public services are what keep this country up and running in my opinion, and make it what it is.

But yeh, totally agree with what you're saying volks'. What annoyes me is people abusing the Firefighters. People stopping their cars and shouting at them. Cos they would almost certainly be shouting at the Fire Service for help when their house is on fire or they're trapped in their car.

Regards,

Josh


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Volksjoolz
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: on a beach makin a W-shaped sandcastle!

Anyone who shout at firefighters in the streets are just adding fuel to the fire (sorry couldn't help meself! lol )

Your correct with the fact that its the public services that run the country..as i work in the public sector myself and am on a shit wage too!

maybe i should go on strike??!!!!!



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Luke Terry
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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yes but not 40%, they should have sorted this out long ago, basically they are stuuborn fucks not willing to embrace technology such as water guns on mobile units. personally i think this striking is just sad and if they go for this 8 day effort, sack the lot of them and let the army take over and get trained up to use the red engines then hire new firefighters or the sacked ones who are willing to justify the cause.


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Volksjoolz
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Registered: Mar 2001
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Now they'r seriously taking the piss!

now who in theyr right mind would reject a 16% pay rise?!! i could only dream of a pay increase that large!

it means that fire fighters would be on a £25000 starting wage! ..but they want more?!


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