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Originally posted by Stunt So try and better the system, try and better the attitudes of people, try to educate them.

unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

Yeah ok, but just ignoring the problem or telling it to fuck itself isn't going to solve it.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

Quite honestly I don't think the majority of the American public cares for the policies of the American government either. But democracy doesn't solve the problem when you're always trying to choose between the lesser of two evils.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit,

ya we're all tools of the US government

my god, you make it seem like Bush is a physcopatic dictator bent on controlling everything and that the population he governs has no room for self thought or opinions outside that of his own. im sorry but if you say that americans are hammered with propoganda in schools and indoctricanted with 'american' bullshit, it shows to me who really is the one who is brainwashed.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek burning down a house because of a few cockaroaches is not a solution.

yes it is a solution. a solution being an idea or concept that solves a problem. by burning the house down you get solve the problem of a few cockaroaches.
its definitly not the best solution or even a morally right solution but it is a solution.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

exactly what I was thinking.

I seriously think the entire USA needs a good slap in the face.

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Originally posted by Arbiter But democracy doesn't solve the problem when you're always trying to choose between the lesser of two evils.

heh. i like that. nicely put..

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Originally posted by Izzy my god, you make it seem like Bush is a physcopatic dictator bent on controlling everything and that the population he governs has no room for self thought or opinions outside that of his own. im sorry but if you say that americans are hammered with propoganda in schools and indoctricanted with 'american' bullshit, it shows to me who really is the one who is brainwashed.

yea.. of course lav..

i would respond to that with a well thought out and constructive post. But truth be told im far to lazy. Leave that to the JohnSmiths and Arbiter's of the forum.. However i will steal a post from another thread which i found very insightful, which shud help explain why i think Bush is such a bellend. However, i dont think he is a physcopatic dicator, ur just putting words in my mouth And i no i'll probably get a lot of flames after posting the list, but u'll just all be proving my earlier point..

Oh and btw, i can assure u im not brainwashed I actually am quite highly educated and can honestly say my opinions are of my own

Cheers, Mike:


1) Rejection of the Kyoto agreement. Producing huge amounts of pollution, instance on manufacturing and driving cars that use double of the petrol of any other car of the same side made outside of the US.
2) State executions, including executions for crimes committed as a minor, and for the fact that the system is grossly racist.
3) Coming late into the second world war, when it had already been all but won and needlessly killing thousands if not millions of innocent German civilians.
4) Starting the Vietnam war because of their insane and misguided fear of communism, attacking civilians with napalm, etc.
5) Greedy Mr Bush wanting to capture Iraqi oil interests for his stupid family, his hidden financial wrongdoings, his hidden cocaine and alcohol additions.
6) Starting practically every war over the last 100 years, fighting to capture the oil, or against communism, basically attacking whatever is not beneficial for the country at the time.
7) The hugely biased & inward looking media. The lies they tell their people, and what their people believe, even though through the internet they can find out pretty much anything they like - just not believe it. Americans deny truthful things just because they haven’t seen it on ‘Fox News’.
8) American sanctions on Iraq

+ more

Thanks again,

Mike

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Originally posted by Cyrus King No im not going to say "thanks" becuase that isnt something that would happen in this day. Also.. tell me exactly what Iranians have done in the past... how are they the exporters of terrorism. Yes every country has terrorists... but the American media has a tendancy to utilize fear in its news broadcasting in order for their political agenda to take place. And with that said... there is no better place than the middle east to make them the enemy.. except Israel. First it was the Japanese/Germans...then Cuba and Russia... then Vietnam...China....now its the mid East. For fucks sake.. cant you see the trend....everyone is an "enemy" to yoour country

you really need to consider the historical perspective of these enemies. germany and japan were both the aggressors in those situations. and there was no direct military action against cuba or russia, that's why it was a "cold" war, get it? vientam was stupid, i agree. but china is not really an enemy.. maybe a sore, but not a threat (the US has economic interests in china, i don't think they'd want to jeopardize that). and BTW, many many nations in the past century have had beef with a lot of others, so it's unfair to single america out. we just have the most force and make the most noise. And with the mid-east, well, they were again the source of agression in this case. all of the sept. 11 (and many other terror acts) terrorists originated from the region, so it's reasonable to assume that a person from one of the mideast nations (except Israel, of course) would be more likely to be the terrorist than a european, oriental, latino, etc. person.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike yea.. of course lav.. i would respond to that with a well thought out and constructive post. But truth be told im far to lazy. Leave that to the JohnSmiths and Arbiter's of the forum.. However i will steal a post from another thread which i found very insightful, which shud help explain why i think Bush is such a bellend. However, i dont think he is a physcopatic dicator, ur just putting words in my mouth Oh and btw, i can assure u im not brainwashed I actually am quite highly educated and can honestly say my opinions are of my own

hehe i know, sorry wasnt meaning to personally attack you, but rather the attitude thats prevalient out there in general. and i know all about being lazy, im prone to getting many attacks during the year, i cant really complain cause in ger enjoy being lazy furthermore better to see an opinion out there then none at all.
now as for the 8 points you brought up, i'd love arguing over every single one as well, we should probably open up a thread on each point when we both get over our winter induced lazyness.

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Originally posted by Izzy ya we're all tools of the US government my god, you make it seem like Bush is a physcopatic dictator bent on controlling everything and that the population he governs has no room for self thought or opinions outside that of his own.

Enter George Orwell...

Sounds a "bit" unrealistic.

you should wake up to the fact that this has been going on worldwide for years ........


my parents being american were profiled in France .... they're not even allowed a permanent visa, instead they're offered a Residents Card which could get them kicked out damn easy if it wasn't renewed ( living in the usa for one year ..... we can't let the french GVT know about it cause they'd cancel their right to have the Residents card )


In Isreal all Arabs get profiled

And many other places which I can't think of right now

Many countries deny you rights under the fact that you are from one land in particular

Speaking of USA couple years ago a friend from the UK went to the USA for the vacation of his "lifetime" .... he arrived in Chicago WORST AIRPORT FOR AN ENGLISH PERSON TO LAND IN .... detained and questionned for hours on end ...


Now in the USA it's different ... you could actually sue for discrimination ( I think ) if you were profiled .......