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Originally posted by Az hmmmmm lets not let the UN aid workers in, thats the clever and responsible thing to do!. For fuck sake man even Iraq allows UN aid workers in!. Do you not realise how serious things are when UN aid workers want to come in?!?!?

No, Iraq did not allow UN aid workers in during battle. In fact, all UN personal were non-present before the gulf war, and further were evacuated in 1998.

If the UN violates its netruality, they have no right to use it, and Israel needs not grant it to them.

Israel, does allow UN operations in Palestinian areas. They do tend to close down battle areas to any personnel though - this in the end saves lives, not costs them. They re-open these areas to aid workers after the battles of course.

In fact, the UN is incharge of many areas and aspects of Palestinian daily life - such as the refugee camps. Under UN adminsitration these very refugee camps have lost all respect of netruality and have become de facto terrorist bases, and hubs.

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I can't wait for the day America stops giving Israel $3 billion annually, and the palestinians realise non violence is the way to go (hell it worked for Dr King and Gandhi, why not Arafat ), stop doing the shitty jobs no self respecting Israeli will do, and close down the borders of gaza and the west bank by sitting the fuck down in their thousands and not letting anyone past. Then you really would be fucked

What the hell does that mean, were you high or something?

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Originally posted by Yoepus No, Iraq did not allow UN aid workers in during battle. In fact, all UN personal were non-present before the gulf war, and further were evacuated in 1998. If the UN violates its netruality, they have no right to use it, and Israel needs not grant it to them. Israel, does allow UN operations in Palestinian areas. They do tend to close down battle areas to any personnel though - this in the end saves lives, not costs them. They re-open these areas to aid workers after the battles of course. In fact, the UN is incharge of many areas and aspects of Palestinian daily life - such as the refugee camps. Under UN adminsitration these very refugee camps have lost all respect of netruality and have become de facto terrorist bases, and hubs. What the hell does that mean, were you high or something?

in response to your "waht the hell does that mean" that means when usa stops funding them, they wont be powerful anymore

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Palestines want thier lands back, a perfectly legitimic demand.

Finally an israeli with some measure of compassion.

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but the problem is the way they want to take it,

What else would end the occupation and get rid of the settlers. Say what you will, Israel will never willingly give up the occupied territories because Israel needs control over the water supply that comes from the occupied territories and the settler movement is to politically powerful to dictate terms to.

I have heard the spokespeople for the settler movement on the TV, I have read their statements on the internet. The end objective of the right wing of Israeli society is expulsion and ethnic cleansing of the palestinians who live in land which can be annexed by the settlements, except they cant be so blatant as that, for fear of alienating Uncle Sam.

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they got to the point that you cant really trust them

On that count you are absolutely right. The average arab who has had even a dose of the IDF or the settlers (who are able to do what they will in the occupied territories) would happily repay Israelis in kind.

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cause you don know if you give them what they want they will just continue terror and ask for more.

Probably right again. the average arab would think whats the point negotiating with the Israelis. The arab has nothing to lose and everything to gain from violence.

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and bomb himself in order to kill as much ppl as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure they would happily use F-16s or Apache helicopters if they had them.

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but today, the surivell of israel is not so clear anymore.

On that count you are absolutely right. Your war will end the same way every other ethnically based civil war will end. When both sides are exhausted and the economy and environment completely ruined. All of your tanks, fighter planes, helicopters, your army of palestinian collaborators cant protect you from the Islamic militants.

I once read a statement from Hamas that said they have to turn away potential suicide bombers because they have too many volunteers. I dont know if that is true or not but it clearly indicates that the palestinian willingness to fight is growing.

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israel will fall apart if these bombing go on.

isnt it already. How many tourists visit your country, how much foreign investment come in since the intifada. The bombings have a definite effect on economic activity. Countries that are forced to devote massive amounts to support their military inevitably suffer economic decline on a massive scale, its what happened to the USSR, it will happen to Israel, it will happen to america.

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if there was no teror they had thier country long ago!

Now that isnt true, if a two state policy wasnt acceptable to the Zionists in 1948, it will never be bought by them now. Sadly Israel has had such a long series of military victories that it believes its military is invincible, the Israeli right wing will always prefer the military option when push comes to shove. The IDF however is far from invincible.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Common sense is sometimes more valuable than written proof. Arafat is a terrorist! the US knows it and isn't doing anything about it only b/c of their interests with the arab world and iraq! When the upcoming gulf war is done with... arafat will be exiled!! ohh what a good year it will be!! ohh, and cyrus... do you support arafat and his guvernment? why or why not?

You make me laugh so hard my man...
You think when this day will happen it will be better ?
YOU ARE WRONG !!!
You think when a leader is defeated, his people forgets about what happend ? No !!! Its gonna be war... not just suicide bombings. Revenge will always be in their minds... thats how man is.

And you are such an idiot... an ass-hole I should say ! Sorry to tell you this but you are in favor of a war (gulf war) which could bring planet earth in bad situation. A nublear war that is... the united states have more ennemies than you think... a big war is a perfect opportunity for those countries to expres what they think by being allied against the united states and all that goes with them.
I can see from all your post in here, you are in favor of war (any war) until jews finally get what they all want.
Tell you what, with such attitude, Death is what WE (you and me and everyone) will get if such thing happens.

I feel sorry for you man, you seem like having a troubled life... you should really stop thinking about all those things and start enjoying the pleasures of life... put your anger aside and live happy while you still can, cause war is not the solution. It will bring us to an End.

If someone have anything to say against what I've just said...means you're in favor of a war...
How can I say this... We have more chance to all die from a war than being killed by a meteorite or by an alien invasing.
thoughts that maybe in some thoushand years from now if we are still here... an Alien Invasion will be more probable. damn wars... its never gonna end.

yeah I forgot..
stop wasting your time on such discussions...
go open a book a learn instead... Learn what brilliant men of our world have discovered and try to make this place a better world like they tried to do. Learn and accomplish something in your life.

ohhh no... watch out, here comes DJ Charlie!!!
now, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU AGAIN?
i'm glad i have the ability to make you laugh...

First of all, Yes, if Yassar Arafucked is exiled or assasinated, tempers will rise amonst the arabs. its only natural right! This is why there would be a opposition party waiting to take his place and restore order in the territories.

Yes shit will hit the fan, but only for the first few weeks, or months. its obvious that if regime change happends and arafat is exiled, there will be many countries steping up to make sure the new governing body has help controlling a populus that currently has no control until this new government has things more settled and established!
Countries such as Israel(highly doubted), the US(also doubted), turkey, and jordan are just a few countries that would help keep the peace in this torn society.
War is horrible... but when its all done, it has either benifited the region or not. And for some optimistically 'stupid' reason, i think it would be of great benifit. Unless of course the PA does something drastic to show that they have things under control and terror will not be tolerated. Unfortunatly i do not see this happening... and if it does, i think it will be too little too late!

Who are you to say that war will automatically result in a nuclear holocaust? Are you some kind of expert that you havent told me about... didn't think so.
SO SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
i never did like you fucks from montreal... your world is upside down! (hope this doesn't get the whole mtl crowd against me.. hehe.. bring it baby!)

I am in favour of war when its called for. when a country threatens stability in the world and does nothing to change itself, its up to the rest of the world to make sure security and stability is kept. If we let regimes such as irags or the PAs to exist without being watched and governed by the rest of the world, than yes i do agree with you that all our ass would be toast in one big mushroom cloud!

Since you say war is not the solution... i challenge you to give all us TA's a great solution against war. something that iraq will agree to as well as the US and the UN... lets go DJ Solution, spin your idea, we wanna hear them(at least i do)!!

Ohhh, so your not only a secret expert on nuclear warfare, but your also my shrink...NICE!!

What makes you think i'm living a troubled..wait,fuck that, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME I'M LIVING A TROUBLED LIFE?
Do you know me...NO
You read a few of my posts on a particular subject i feel stongly about, and you think you know my life. WOW, your good!

DJ duhhhhhhhhhhh... what the fuck did your last paragraph mean?
i think you might be the alien!!

I suggest you stop wasting your time giving me a headache! your post was useless.
So to you my retarded friend, i offer you this great peice of advice..... stop participating in such discussions and go do something meaningful with your life!!

I do learn many different things that are not only political, but benificial to the world (or at least i'd like to think so).
Perhaps you should tell me what i should say and not say from now on. What i should learn and not learn; participate in and avoid ect... you live your sad existence and leave mine alone.

My greatest accomplishment in life will happen on the day i'm able to get stupid people to stop posting stupid posts. *hint hint*

Ohhh, i hope i didn't hurt any feelings... i'd really feel bad about that!

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My greatest accomplishment in life will happen on the day i'm able to get stupid people to stop posting stupid posts.

Then stop yourself from posting.

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Originally posted by Az or attacking police stations (if thats what you want to call them, palestinian police have NO power).

heh??
In the Oslo peace negotiations (1992) Israel have Created the Palestinian Autonomy, which means a half-state.
Than was the Palestianin police created plus Airport, See police, Economic freedom and lotsa more.
The fact is that in those 10 years, about 1000 israelis were killed by terror!! This police worth nothing. Ecspecialy in the Current intifada, when in its very begining Arafat ordred to realease all Hamas Prisoners out of Jail (For what hah??).

Also isral found many of the police station helping terror so had the full right to hurt the police in the West Bank during it's operations. but all that after tries to make a cease fire, which always ended in bigger terror attacks.

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And about that 98% of the land offer, strange I've never heard about it, strange my teachers never heard about it, strange it's never mentioned on the pro israeli news that I have to endure day in and day out. Is it perhaps something thats not quite true, and has been offered to the israeli people as a nice bit of spin?. 98% of land is great, but how many assurances were there that the israeli army wouldn't come and remove palestinians out of their homes after a few weeks?. Remember there are 2 sides to every argument, and as much as the plight of the israeli people is advertised on western TV, the more people in the west are waking up the fact the Israeli argument is wearing thinner and thinner.

Lol!!!!
YOu dont know simple History

The 98% precent were offered in the Camp David Negotioation in Barak's time, read about it everywhere!!!
and lol again!!
Israel didn't brake the agreaments with palestinians till now!! The Palestinans are those who start every conflict!
Israel promised to give them an otonomy, police, airport, economy, Ofices in Jerusalem, Workplaces in Israel, land in Hevron and lots more
ISreael did all of that

The palestinians promised to stop terror. But it got only stronger.

again , all here are facts.

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And thats sounds a little nasty and one sided, and I'm never going to get through to you, because you've been brought up the way you have, and pounded with anti palestinian propaganda,

You dont know how israelis brought up!!!!
We do know!
Since 1st grade all i heared in school was peace, peace, peace
!!!!!!!

how can you say hat about israel education, while in palestine kids though to blow themselves up and that the Israeelis are Vampires and much worse that this.
please dont say stupid stuff like this.



Also someone else here said somethign about that the Zionists were against two countries for two people??!
Fuck they did nothing , and said thankyou, while all arab countries attacked israeil at its first day of Independance!!!

Fuck!!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike

Speaking in general of your threads...
You seem to already have the solution for everything.

"Hey guys ! Lets see what the Bible have to say about this !"

I am ready to bet a million dollar that you have never opened a religious book in your life by your own and reading it cause you're faith in religious believes is strong. you might have opened it to give your little arguments that stands on nothing all over this forum.
You may be doing your religious practice but you never asked yourself would it do any difference if it was working another way.
You only believe in your things because you have been told so !

I am not saying that I'm a true religious believer and you are a fake.. just that again... you should stop spreading your hate against arab people. Your God does not approve such feeling. Its written all over your freaking religious book... If you really like it, you should start reading about how your god wants you to live and not where he told you to build a temple thousands of years ago...


Do you really believe in that ?


Hey guys, did you know that Adam and Eve were the first human on earth ? Whoever telling me that its not true You burn in hell. its written in the Bible.

I have made my point and not getting back on it. cause if i do so.. such discussion will never end. Just like war, if you keep thinking like this, war will never end.

Okay, Before Shabbat comes in i'll try and respond to what i understood of your last post.

No my solutions are not purely based on the bible what so ever!
My solutions are based on realistic visions of the future!

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I am ready to bet a million dollar that you have never opened a religious book in your life by your own and reading it cause you're faith in religious believes is strong.

Where again do you live in Montreal.. i'm jumpin in my car right now to come shake your hand and take you up on that offer!! My family is not religious in the least. yes we do celebrate the major holidays and what not, but i did not attend a Jewish school ever in my life!
I dicided just over a year ago to study religion in depth. No one makes me do shit... i choose what i want to learn and when. i wasn't conditioned from a young age to hate arabs... i didn't even know you people existed! i wasn't conditioned into my current religious beliefs either, for my own free will chose to take upon Judaism into my life!

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You may be doing your religious practice but you never asked yourself would it do any difference if it was working another way.

WHAT?????

Once again i'd like to make it very clear that i do NOT hate every Arab by any means!!!
I hate the ones who think that Killing innocent people is helping their cause!
If youd like to challenge me on this PM me and i'll be more than happy to give you a number to a true Arab-Muslim that i'm honoured to call my friend.


I very strongely believe that we will have the third temple rebuilt as an external structure very soon in the same place our previous temples we're built and stood for thousands of years!

As long as we have people like Arafucked and Hussain, groups like hamas and hezbulluh, Yes war will always be prominant!

Shabbat shalom to those who could identify with it.
Have a great weekend to everyone else!
Peace!

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